v WBA (h) - 23/10/2024 - k/o 19:45

[sharpysharps86]

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Surely it's points over entertaining football every time? 

Borefest? Would you want us to be more open and defensive weaker? 

 

Spot on. Its amazing how short people's memories are. JDT and his entertaining football nearly got us relegated in the end. I'd take what Eustace is doing over what JDT did every day.

[sharpysharps86]

7 minutes ago, RoversTilliDie said:

I was disappointed with a point last night, unlike some commenters. W.B.A. will be far happier with the point, and our 100% home record has gone.

Not many Championship sides will win 6 in a row at home.

I'm pretty sure most Rovers fans would've taken 4 points from the last 2 games after losing 2 in a row before the break. It's just annoying that we have two very tough games next up.

[chaddyrovers]

 

 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

On another point I would have made the subs earlier. However Weimann and Siggy did next to nothing when they came on so different subs next time please.

[MarkBRFC]

2 minutes ago, sharpysharps86 said:

Not many Championship sides will win 6 in a row at home.

 

We did under JDT...

I thought we were ok last night, apart from them two chances in the first half we looked fairly solid. Never felt like we were going to score though,

Getting progressively worse at home though, 3-0, 2-0, 1-0 now 0-0. Imagine Sheffield Utd will beat us fairly comfortably in the next home game. 

Still if someone had said we would be 6th after 11 games with 19 points I would have called them a dirty liar so can't not be happy with our overall start.

[Penwortham Blue]

56 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Although I haven't seen anything official it appears we have a new set piece coach. On each corner for and against last night Eustace and Gardiner sat down and Ben Benson was shouting instructions and gesturing from the technical area. I have noticed several Premier League clubs doing the same this season.

I am pretty sure that we advertised for a set piece coach and also that someone came in, but I think on a contract basis, as I saw him posting on X about his involvement and credentials. Maybe, we have been so poor in that area, for so long, they have said let the goalkeeper have a go, he can’t do any worse. One thing for sure, Mercer won’t be too impressed on Benson’s brief being extended 😂

[Lancaster Rover]

I thought Weimann carried out the pressing instructions he was given reasonably well, there were a number of times he was directing the press and trying to cajole Yuki and others into pressing however they were just too tired and we got popped off the last 10 minutes, not helped by Siggy and Gueye either not understanding or not carrying out the pressing instructions. 

[Penwortham Blue]

1 hour ago, BigBar said:

Are you actually ok? If you think I don't recognise what a shit show the club has been for over a decade at the hands of our joke "owners" and that every manager has their work cut out for them the second they agree to take charge at our club then you have are very much mistaken. 

Quick to throw in smarmy comments because I simply praised Eustace for what I see as an incredible job is very odd. Look at the turn around from what he walked into. If you have some sort of affection for JDT then you fill your boots but if you can't see that Eustace has been very very good since arriving then I apologise to you. 

I like both JDT and Eustace. We played some great football under JDT and if backed, we would have had a great shot at promotion but he was deceived, lied to and understandably got fed up with the turmoil within the club and basically quit. Eustace also has to work under massive constraints but seems to have the squad available to him on side and created a good spirit within the group. Yep, it is far from champagne football but he has us organised, difficult to beat and in the top six and for that, we should be very thankful.

[roversfan99]

28 minutes ago, sharpysharps86 said:

Spot on. Its amazing how short people's memories are. JDT and his entertaining football nearly got us relegated in the end. I'd take what Eustace is doing over what JDT did every day.

What you are quoting is him replying to me who has specifically clarified repeatedly that it is about results.

Its a ridiculous oversimplification to suggest that we nearly went down because of JDT's style too. For some context, 3 of our regular squad players last season are currently failing to get into the Bristol Rovers team, have been loaned to League 2 and sold to the German 3rd division.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

14 minutes ago, Lancaster Rover said:

I thought Weimann carried out the pressing instructions he was given reasonably well, there were a number of times he was directing the press and trying to cajole Yuki and others into pressing however they were just too tired and we got popped off the last 10 minutes, not helped by Siggy and Gueye either not understanding or not carrying out the pressing instructions. 

Siggy won’t be doing much pressing ever so bringing him on with that expectation was a bit optimistic.

[Forever Blue]

3 minutes ago, Penwortham Blue said:

I like both JDT and Eustace. We played some great football under JDT and if backed, we would have had a great shot at promotion but he was deceived, lied to and understandably got fed up with the turmoil within the club and basically quit. Eustace also has to work under massive constraints but seems to have the squad available to him on side and created a good spirit within the group. Yep, it is far from champagne football but he has us organised, difficult to beat and in the top six and for that, we should be very thankful.

Good post.

Totally different approach to the game, but both good managers in their own right.
 

I thought some of the football under JDT was the best I’ve ever seen from a purely technical point of view whilst watching Rovers. He is clearly a very gifted coach. 

Eustace is more  a clean sheet merchant who accumulates points along the way. I make it 10 or 11 clean sheets from the last 20 league games. Very impressive. Going forward we’re like a pub team at times in comparison to JDTs brand of football, but maybe that will change as he gets better players in forward positions. 
 

Let’s hope Eustace gets more support from the clowns above him than JDT ever did. 

[DaveyB]

9 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Several players were down on their haunches on Saturday and the same today.

The best manager I ever played for used to drum into us the importance of looking after the ball because "playing without the ball is much more demanding, both physically and mentally."
We seem happy to just let the other team have the ball, sit deep and look to break on the transition - nothing wrong with that per se, but it will be taking a lot out of our players and I think that showed last night in the last 10 minutes when our players looked out on their feet and WBA had us under the cosh a bit.

If last night's game had gone on for another 10 minutes I'm fairly certain that we would have ended up conceding - and when the games start to come thick and fast with midweek games every week I think it might end up costing us, unless the manager is willing to rotate the squad a bit more

[DaveyB]

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Surely it's points over entertaining football every time? 

Borefest? Would you want us to be more open and defensive weaker? 

 

Surely everyone on here would happily take the results over the last two games over the rest of the season - a few 0-0 draws with a smattering of 1-0 wins and going unbeaten at home to the end of the season - we'd be delighted.

However, based on the performances and level of entertainment provided, when it comes time to renew the season tickets for next season I certainly wouldn't be rushing to buy one.

Yes results are the most important thing - but it doesn't hurt to give the fans something to get excited about every now and again too!!

[Lancaster Rover]

10 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Siggy won’t be doing much pressing ever so bringing him on with that expectation was a bit optimistic.

I was surprised by his inclusion with the game so tight. Yuki looked knackered but Cantwell seemed to have more in the tank, however I understand his minutes need to be managed to some degree at the moment. 

Siggy was Siggy when he came on, the more worrying aspect is that with each passing game Gueye looks further from the required standard. His pressing was non existent last night and was continually behind his man when he should be getting in front to hold the ball. At least 4 times in the last 10 he was stood behind his man, waiting for a pass, leading to us losing the ball, creating 4-2 situations in midfield and the press being completely bypassed. His efforts in the first few games are becoming a distant memory as at the moment I feel he offers nothing. 

[Lancaster Rover]

8 minutes ago, DaveyB said:

Surely everyone on here would happily take the results over the last two games over the rest of the season - a few 0-0 draws with a smattering of 1-0 wins and going unbeaten at home to the end of the season - we'd be delighted.

However, based on the performances and level of entertainment provided, when it comes time to renew the season tickets for next season I certainly wouldn't be rushing to buy one.

Yes results are the most important thing - but it doesn't hurt to give the fans something to get excited about every now and again too!!

Agreed on the entertainment factor however my counter would be that neither Luton not Ipswich set the world alight playing free flowing football, and look where that has got them. I'm not saying we're anywhere near that but a team near the top of the table will always draw fans in regardless of performance, no matter how much we moan and pull it apart on here. 

[LeftWinger]

55 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

We did under JDT...

Did we win 6 in a row under JDT at home?

I thought I read the last time we won 5 in a row at home was in 1994/95.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Yes, surely its self explanatory.

Just seeking clarification given your borefest comments and the fact that both teams are very well organised and understand their roles by their head coach. It was always going to be tight close game

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

 Cantwell stands out but he has to play centrally, his ability is well above anyone else and he needs to be where he can hurt teams the most and not failing to provide adequate cover for Beck.

He provides more than adequate cover for Beck. 

Also he roams into those areas from the left creating more problems for opposition instead of being out numbered in there by 2 defensive midfielder

42 minutes ago, sharpysharps86 said:

Spot on. Its amazing how short people's memories are. JDT and his entertaining football nearly got us relegated in the end. I'd take what Eustace is doing over what JDT did every day.

JDT didn't want to adapt and change tactics. His plan was Plan A. When we went through a difficult spell he had no answer to him. Eustace has different plans for different games and his man management is very different 

33 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

On another point I would have made the subs earlier. However Weimann and Siggy did next to nothing when they came on so different subs next time please.

So what subs would you have differently and when? 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

33 minutes ago, DaveyB said:

The best manager I ever played for used to drum into us the importance of looking after the ball because "playing without the ball is much more demanding, both physically and mentally."
We seem happy to just let the other team have the ball, sit deep and look to break on the transition - nothing wrong with that per se, but it will be taking a lot out of our players and I think that showed last night in the last 10 minutes when our players looked out on their feet and WBA had us under the cosh a bit.

If last night's game had gone on for another 10 minutes I'm fairly certain that we would have ended up conceding - and when the games start to come thick and fast with midweek games every week I think it might end up costing us, unless the manager is willing to rotate the squad a bit more

10/10. We are way too casual in possession. We don’t respect the ball anything like enough.

[USABlue]

I love how Pears would boot long to Dolan just about every time.  Even after BMac came on.  Way to go Ainsley hoof it high for the shortest player on the pitch.  This backwards shit all the time is right puttin me off footy.  We seem to have players with nonfootball sense at all.  Can't complete 5 yard passes, it's pretty horrible really.  

Edited October 24 by USABlue

[Lancaster Rover]

Pears long kicks were awful last night, the amount of times he did a sort of looping on purpose slice to Hedges was infuriating. Cantwell (who strikes the ball beautifully) needs to pull him aside and give him a few pointers on clipping the ball if he's going to go long as much as last night.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

20 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Just seeking clarification given your borefest comments and the fact that both teams are very well organised and understand their roles by their head coach. It was always going to be tight close game

He provides more than adequate cover for Beck. 

Also he roams into those areas from the left creating more problems for opposition instead of being out numbered in there by 2 defensive midfielder

JDT didn't want to adapt and change tactics. His plan was Plan A. When we went through a difficult spell he had no answer to him. Eustace has different plans for different games and his man management is very different 

So what subs would you have differently and when? 

I’d have brought Gueye on sooner and had Yuki playing off him. I’d have gone a bit more long ball, we weren’t creating much as it was. Neither of those two are much more than nuisance value playing up there on their own. Siggy offers nothing at the moment,  at least Baker or Buckley would be more involved and would maybe stop them playing through us. Bringing Britain on made sense. It depends whether Eustace wanted to hold on to 1 point or go all out for 3. To me it looked like he was happy with 1. WBA wanted all 3 and went for it at the end. However them subbing players on in time added on was bizarre to say the least.

I’ve watched the last two home games now and the entertainment value was very low. Any neutral would have switched off before half time.

Edited October 24 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[MarkBRFC]

22 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Did we win 6 in a row under JDT at home?

I thought I read the last time we won 5 in a row at home was in 1994/95.

There is some confusion there.

The last time we won our first 5 home games of the season in a row was 1994/95.

The last time we won 6 at home in a row was under JDT, between 13th September-5th November 2022.

Edited October 24 by MarkBRFC

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

15 minutes ago, USABlue said:

I love how Pears would boot long to Dolan just about every time.  Even after BMac came on.  Way to go Ainsley hoof it high for the shortest player on the pitch.  This backwards shit all the time is right puttin me off footy.  We seem to have players with nonfootball sense at all.  Can't complete 5 yard passes, it's pretty horrible really.  

We play the ball backwards and sideways as much as we play it forward. WBA mixed it up much more. They went long at times, packed the area where they anticipated the ball would land and won plenty of possession in our half that way. On our first goal kick we played our usual game of pass it around at the back until we lose it. They went direct with their first goal kick and actually won the ball in our half. On one of their attacks I counted 7 players in or around our penalty area. We never seem to have more than 4 or 5.

Edited October 24 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Herbie6590]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Its a ridiculous oversimplification to suggest that we nearly went down because of JDT's style too. For some context, 3 of our regular squad players last season are currently failing to get into the Bristol Rovers team, have been loaned to League 2 and sold to the German 3rd division.

Agreed - For balance, we also nearly got in the play offs because of JDT's style...

[RoversTilliDie]

Our throw ins last night was schoolboy stuff. How many foul throw ins did we give away, 2-3.