January Transfer window

[Neal]

2 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

Crazy to think we can’t improve yesterday’s team. Our striker completely missed the ball from 6 yards out 🥹

Course you can, I suppose what I'm getting at is it will be hard without a decent budget, you don't want to end up with players for the sake of it that don't improve us... Sapping up resources. 

 

 

On Aasgard, looked very good for Wigan against Bolton. 

[J*B]

33 minutes ago, Neal said:

Course you can, I suppose what I'm getting at is it will be hard without a decent budget, you don't want to end up with players for the sake of it that don't improve us... Sapping up resources. 

 

 

On Aasgard, looked very good for Wigan against Bolton. 

January makes or breaks teams outside the top 2/3 (who are usually too good with parachute money) and the next 10 teams who all could get into the top six. The key is a strong squad with game changers on the bench, both in attack and defence. The assignment is simple, in my opinion:

Loan: James Hill, Louie Barry

Sign: A striker that scores 10+ league goals, Keiffer Moore?

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Maybe have some faith in Eustace and understand where the players were mentality and confidence wise. 

Eustace is a very good man manager and Pears was full of praise for yesterday of him on ITV highlight show. 

The fans have took to Eustace alot and you could see that yesterday post match when Eustace came to the BBE and the fans shown him their appreciation for what he has done this season and the team work ethic and desire to play for the short, Eustace and the fans. Also noticed that Eustace and Travis have a good relationship and they are in-lined 

 

57 minutes ago, yeti-dog said:

Perhaps not but but it's also important to acknowledge that we were something of a basket case when he took over. I was a JDT fan, but if he'd stayed I'm convinced we'd now be in League 1.

He might not not have been able to 'buy a win' but he kept us up, and that was all that mattered.

 

There may have been reasons why results werent very good last season, but point being, of course the narrative on Eustace has totally changed. Last season, what has happened so far this season couldnt have been forseen logically. When results change as they have, of course opinion will change accordingly.

Last season, he certainly didnt take over a quality side full of confidence but we actually slid further towards the drop zone, we didnt win a single home game and most of those opinions came prior to those 2 late season impressive wins. This season, totally different story because results have been very good.

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, J*B said:

January makes or breaks teams outside the top 2/3 (who are usually too good with parachute money) and the next 10 teams who all could get into the top six. The key is a strong squad with game changers on the bench, both in attack and defence. The assignment is simple, in my opinion:

Loan: James Hill, Louie Barry

Sign: A striker that scores 10+ league goals, Keiffer Moore?

Why would top of the league sell us (when fit) their main striker?

[J*B]

32 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Why would top of the league sell us (when fit) their main striker?

Apologies, messed up the wording whilst rushing. Should read “a striker like keiffer Moore that scores 10+ league goals between Jan and the end of the season”

[Neal]

39 minutes ago, J*B said:

January makes or breaks teams outside the top 2/3 (who are usually too good with parachute money) and the next 10 teams who all could get into the top six. The key is a strong squad with game changers on the bench, both in attack and defence. The assignment is simple, in my opinion:

Loan: James Hill, Louie Barry

Sign: A striker that scores 10+ league goals, Keiffer Moore?

Hill & Barry certainly not out of the question, would be great additions. If that were to happen I'd be asking Stockport if they fancy Leanord on loan. 

[J*B]

1 minute ago, Neal said:

Hill & Barry certainly not out of the question, would be great additions. If that were to happen I'd be asking Stockport if they fancy Leanord on loan. 

Make a deal with Stockport that they get Markanday to cover him.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 minutes ago, J*B said:

Make a deal with Stockport that they get Markanday to cover him.

There have been rumours linking Markanday with Stockport.

[RoryRoversIreland]

Nathan Broadhead at Ipswich could be an option. Would expect Ipswich to buy another forward in January. With Poku injured, I would think Jade Jones will be sold. Out of contract in June. 

[martonrover]

4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

It isnt really strange that people were critical when he couldnt buy a win and now are praising him when he has won 6 on the trot and us 5th in league.

He kept us up, it didn't matter how, and some (not all) were belittling and writing him off after about five minutes in the building.

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, martonrover said:

He kept us up, it didn't matter how, and some (not all) were belittling and writing him off after about five minutes in the building.

There was obviously a toxic atmosphere when he arrived anyway. But people had doubts to varying degrees because results didnt improve. And obviously people comment game by game, he didnt win any of his first 9, he won 0 at home and 2 of his 3 wins only came right at the end when judgements were already being made. But prior to that, there was clear uncertainty as to whether he was capable of keeping us up.

Peoples opinions naturally change on results. And he is well liked across the board now because results have been very impressive this season.

[martonrover]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

There was obviously a toxic atmosphere when he arrived anyway. But people had doubts to varying degrees because results didnt improve. And obviously people comment game by game, he didnt win any of his first 9, he won 0 at home and 2 of his 3 wins only came right at the end when judgements were already being made. But prior to that, there was clear uncertainty as to whether he was capable of keeping us up.

Peoples opinions naturally change on results. And he is well liked across the board now because results have been very impressive this season.

There is a difference between constructive criticism and mud slinging. 

I have no problem with the former.

It's all about opinions, and we all view things a bit differently, but it was clear to me that Eustace's strategy was to shore up the defence, (he succeeded), and make us harder to beat, (ditto).

Stats can be slanted to suit an argument, but as far as I'm concerned we looked like relegation on a stick at the time JDT went.

Eustace did similar when he took over as caretaker at QPR a few seasons ago, also keeping them up, so there was reason to have faith, in my opinion.

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

14 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

There was obviously a toxic atmosphere when he arrived anyway. But people had doubts to varying degrees because results didnt improve. And obviously people comment game by game, he didnt win any of his first 9, he won 0 at home and 2 of his 3 wins only came right at the end when judgements were already being made. But prior to that, there was clear uncertainty as to whether he was capable of keeping us up.

Peoples opinions naturally change on results. And he is well liked across the board now because results have been very impressive this season.

When JDT went we had taken 5 points from the previous 11 games - so in fact results did improve on what had gone on in those 11 games. They had to - otherwise we would have been relegated for certain.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

7 minutes ago, martonrover said:

There is a difference between constructive criticism and mud slinging. 

I have no problem with the former.

It's all about opinions, and we all view things a bit differently, but it was clear to me that Eustace's strategy was to shore up the defence, (he succeeded), and make us harder to beat, (ditto).

Stats can be slanted to suit an argument, but as far as I'm concerned we looked like relegation on a stick at the time JDT went.

Eustace did similar when he took over as caretaker at QPR a few seasons ago, also keeping them up, so there was reason to have faith, in my opinion.

 

There was something about him I took to right away.  He wasn’t flash and he was obviously here to do a survival job. With the way his first priority was to sort out the defence I could see a bit of the young Big Sam in him. We were at the point of needing to score 3 goals to get a draw when he came in.

[roversfan99]

29 minutes ago, martonrover said:

There is a difference between constructive criticism and mud slinging. 

I have no problem with the former.

It's all about opinions, and we all view things a bit differently, but it was clear to me that Eustace's strategy was to shore up the defence, (he succeeded), and make us harder to beat, (ditto).

Stats can be slanted to suit an argument, but as far as I'm concerned we looked like relegation on a stick at the time JDT went.

Eustace did similar when he took over as caretaker at QPR a few seasons ago, also keeping them up, so there was reason to have faith, in my opinion.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

When JDT went we had taken 5 points from the previous 11 games - so in fact results did improve on what had gone on in those 11 games. They had to - otherwise we would have been relegated for certain.

Either way, its hardly a manipulation of stats considering the lack of wins and the lack of any real bounce from him initially (in terms of wins certainly) to suggest that results are the key difference as to why there was varying levels of skepticism (some defiantly wanted out, some perhaps more constructive but still with the jury out) back last season and why he is receiving widespread praise now. I dont think it warrants going back and calling out the fanbase as if its a case of I told you so.

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, J*B said:

Make a deal with Stockport that they get Markanday to cover him.

Stockport won't have a say in the matter. 

[Exiled_Rover]

29 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

There was something about him I took to right away.  He wasn’t flash and he was obviously here to do a survival job. With the way his first priority was to sort out the defence I could see a bit of the young Big Sam in him. We were at the point of needing to score 3 goals to get a draw when he came in.

He stopped the bleeding - and was very open and honest about how bad the situation was at the club when he arrived.

Transfers out / injuries had weakened the squad significantly and half of them had downed tools after falling out with JDT. 

He made us very difficult to beat and scraped enough points together to keep us in the league. Job done. 

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

 

There may have been reasons why results werent very good last season, but point being, of course the narrative on Eustace has totally changed. Last season, what has happened so far this season couldnt have been forseen logically. When results change as they have, of course opinion will change accordingly.

Last season, he certainly didnt take over a quality side full of confidence but we actually slid further towards the drop zone, we didnt win a single home game and most of those opinions came prior to those 2 late season impressive wins. This season, totally different story because results have been very good.

Eustace stop the rot and kept us up just. He improved team spirit and just listened to Pears or Brittain or Travis comments about Eustace's man management skills. 

Also JDT seems to fall out with players by the end. 

1 hour ago, RoryRoversIreland said:

Nathan Broadhead at Ipswich could be an option. Would expect Ipswich to buy another forward in January. With Poku injured, I would think Jade Jones will be sold. Out of contract in June. 

Great shout on Nathan Broadhead. 

Jade Jones is getting alot of mention on here, anyone know alot about him? 

56 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

There was obviously a toxic atmosphere when he arrived anyway. But people had doubts to varying degrees because results didnt improve. And obviously people comment game by game, he didnt win any of his first 9, he won 0 at home and 2 of his 3 wins only came right at the end when judgements were already being made. But prior to that, there was clear uncertainty as to whether he was capable of keeping us up.

Peoples opinions naturally change on results. And he is well liked across the board now because results have been very impressive this season.

Maybe backed people judgement here and I said that Eustace was the right head coach and given how adaptability he is his tactical approach and team selection. 

[chaddyrovers]

31 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

He stopped the bleeding - and was very open and honest about how bad the situation was at the club when he arrived.

Transfers out / injuries had weakened the squad significantly and half of them had downed tools after falling out with JDT. 

He made us very difficult to beat and scraped enough points together to keep us in the league. Job done. 

💯% correct

[martonrover]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

 

Either way, its hardly a manipulation of stats considering the lack of wins and the lack of any real bounce from him initially (in terms of wins certainly) to suggest that results are the key difference as to why there was varying levels of skepticism (some defiantly wanted out, some perhaps more constructive but still with the jury out) back last season and why he is receiving widespread praise now. I dont think it warrants going back and calling out the fanbase as if its a case of I told you so.

It wasn’t a case of that at all, but I was picking up on what someone else had posted.

I think it’s a lesson against being reactionary and making snap judgements before someone has had a chance to prove themselves, (or otherwise).

The time to judge was at the end of the season.

Survival = success, relegation = failure.

[roversfan99]

59 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Eustace stop the rot and kept us up just. He improved team spirit and just listened to Pears or Brittain or Travis comments about Eustace's man management skills. 

Also JDT seems to fall out with players by the end. 

Great shout on Nathan Broadhead. 

Jade Jones is getting alot of mention on here, anyone know alot about him? 

Maybe backed people judgement here and I said that Eustace was the right head coach and given how adaptability he is his tactical approach and team selection. 

But you say this about every manager, so its not a case of you being ahead of the curve. You was insistent that Tomasson was right to stick to his principles, angry when he left and then when he did, you did a 180 degree turn.

I dont think that the evidence was there last season to suggest what has happened this season.

8 minutes ago, martonrover said:

It wasn’t a case of that at all, but I was picking up on what someone else had posted.

I think it’s a lesson against being reactionary and making snap judgements before someone has had a chance to prove themselves, (or otherwise).

The time to judge was at the end of the season.

Survival = success, relegation = failure.

But we could say that this season. No point praising him, the season hasnt finished. We judge as we go, not at the end of every season only.

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

But you say this about every manager, so its not a case of you being ahead of the curve. You was insistent that Tomasson was right to stick to his principles, angry when he left and then when he did, you did a 180 degree turn.

I dont think that the evidence was there last season to suggest what has happened this season.

I have hold my hands and admitted I was wrong on JDT sticking to his principles and after learning the problems with the team and falling out with certain players, you developed a different opinion. 

On Eustace, you knew the type of team he would build and you witness that at Birmingham cos when we played them it was always good game and you could see how solid and well drilled they were. 

The evidence was there, cos Eustace, Gardner and Downing coached and drilled the team into being well organised and solid. We could still play good attacking football but keeping the back door shut. They kept us up, job done move on to the next season

[Forever Blue]

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I have hold my hands and admitted I was wrong on JDT sticking to his principles and after learning the problems with the team and falling out with certain players, you developed a different opinion. 

On Eustace, you knew the type of team he would build and you witness that at Birmingham cos when we played them it was always good game and you could see how solid and well drilled they were. 

The evidence was there, cos Eustace, Gardner and Downing coached and drilled the team into being well organised and solid. We could still play good attacking football but keeping the back door shut. They kept us up, job done move on to the next season

Didn’t you turn on Mowbray when he left too? 

[Roverthechimp]

On Eustace - I felt like he didn't read the room on his appointment but will hold my hands up and say that he is a far better manager and coach than I thought. Also seems to have found a way to have good morale within the club whilst now being able to communicate to fans that he is aware of the bigger issue (without making it a distraction)

On January: my biggest fear is that we will lose Beck back to Liverpool and maybe even accept an offer for one of our better players (Trav, Tron or Cantwell). 

[Exiled_Rover]

2 minutes ago, Roverthechimp said:

On Eustace - I felt like he didn't read the room on his appointment but will hold my hands up and say that he is a far better manager and coach than I thought. Also seems to have found a way to have good morale within the club whilst now being able to communicate to fans that he is aware of the bigger issue (without making it a distraction)

On January: my biggest fear is that we will lose Beck back to Liverpool and maybe even accept an offer for one of our better players (Trav, Tron or Cantwell). 

I think the opportunity for team to get Travis on the cheap has been and gone. They won't want to pay our asking price for him now.

Cantwell hasn't done enough yet to warrant a move - not unless he's pushing for a way out.