January Transfer window

[simongarnerisgod]

i would`nt be giving hedges a new deal,i appreciate his efforts but he`s injury prone and has lost his pace,as a club if you want to improve then you have to get better players,not stick with the ones that will only do a job and not much else

[roversfan99]

11 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Couldn't agree more - he isn't good enough, not by a million miles.

We did the same with Gallagher - took a player who should have been booted down the road at the earliest opportunity and offered him a new deal.

Meanwhile we never come to terms with any one who actually warrants it (apart from Wharton) where  the plan was to flog him immediately after.

The symptom of a club whose owners dont have any interest in making us better. 

[RevidgeBlue]

9 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

i would`nt be giving hedges a new deal,i appreciate his efforts but he`s injury prone and has lost his pace,as a club if you want to improve then you have to get better players,not stick with the ones that will only do a job and not much else

7 goals in 4 seasons.

Nice work if you can get it.

[RevidgeBlue]

8 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The symptom of a club whose owners dont have any interest in making us better. 

You're probably right. I'd say it's a symptom of people who don't mind throwing money away first and foremost.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

31 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

i would`nt be giving hedges a new deal,i appreciate his efforts but he`s injury prone and has lost his pace,as a club if you want to improve then you have to get better players,not stick with the ones that will only do a job and not much else

He never had any real pace that I could see. A real strange signing for me. Not fast, not tricky, not a battler, not a goalscorer. Just a shirt filler.

Edited Wednesday at 15:19 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

19 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You're probably right. I'd say it's a symptom of people who don't mind throwing money away first and foremost.

And now they’re just throwing our money away.

[neophox]

Top defender and a top striker in january would be key!

[neophox]

Thought we did well without Dolan against Luton. I didnt miss him.

[chaddyrovers]

6 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Fuck sake. Not the move a club with any shred of ambition would do. He has achieved very little year on year and has also had issues with injuries in the last 18 months. 

No surprised by your reaction. I think its a good move. Eustace rated him and he has played in every league game this season. A new 2 year contract I think would be good in my opinion 

[roversfan99]

5 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You're probably right. I'd say it's a symptom of people who don't mind throwing money away first and foremost.

Hes the cheap option. No fee and likely to be on a wage that isnt groundbreaking.

20 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

No surprised by your reaction. I think its a good move. Eustace rated him and he has played in every league game this season. A new 2 year contract I think would be good in my opinion 

As RevidgeBlue said, 7 goals in 4 seasons. Doesnt contribue anywhere near enough, and isnt a winger where as a full back youd have any fear. We saw an actual exciting winger at the weekend.

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

As RevidgeBlue said, 7 goals in 4 seasons. Doesnt contribue anywhere near enough, and isnt a winger where as a full back youd have any fear. We saw an actual exciting winger at the weekend.

I see him as important squad player. He has played in every game this season. 

You don't. We will never agree here. 

[roversfan99]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

I see him as important squad player. He has played in every game this season. 

You don't. We will never agree here. 

What does he offer aside from trying his hardest and being selected?

[Eddie]

The issue with all of these contract renewals is that so much will depend on how much we are paying him.

If Hedges is being paid like a squad player, he is worth keeping. He offers a bit of versatility and can certainly do a job when asked. If we are paying him like a starter, he is best avoided.

We won't know that, but there's little reason to believe that he would be commanding a huge wage. This isn't like the Dolan standoff where part of the situation clearly reflects an expectation of significantly higher wages. 

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

What does he offer aside from trying his hardest and being selected?

He is a good squad player, experience, and someone Eustace trusted. He is someone who I want to keep as I said few weeks ago to yourself and my opinion hasn't changed. Your opinion was very different and hasn't change so why don't we just simply agree to disagree 

[roversfan99]

I want more from my wide men than just effort, experience and trust. Whether it be pace, the ability to beat a man, a regular goal threat, a regular supply of chances. He has none of those things.

There are few alternatives, as soon as ACD was fit enough to start over him he did so with a left back on the other side. And both matched his goal tally in one game.

[Hasta]

The only major attribute of Hedges is discipline. He holds the team shape and does his defensive duties.
 

Im presuming he’s on a slightly above-average salary in this squad. If we were financially OK then I’d understand having him as a squad filler. But as we need every penny to be competitive on salaries I’d rather fill that role with academy or development players, and use the cash to get people in who can improve the first 11.

I’ll caveat that with the fact Beck is now filling the ‘disciplined’ wide man role, and he’s not here next year so we will be back to being light in that position.

Edited Wednesday at 21:27 by Hasta

[Ossydave]

Hedges has regressed and he was never great to start with. He did used to have a half decent shot on him, no idea what happened to that. He hasn't been helped by a dodgy injury record, but he's 30 next year so that's likely to get worse if anything. Can't fault his effort like, but we cam and should do better.

[bluebruce]

12 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

i would`nt be giving hedges a new deal,i appreciate his efforts but he`s injury prone and has lost his pace,as a club if you want to improve then you have to get better players,not stick with the ones that will only do a job and not much else

I'd agree...I mean, at most I'd consider offering him a one year extension, if he stays fit and moderately consistent til March-ish (when I'd start negotiations). Depending on what he's on, and what our budget is likely to be. But if he wanted a raise or more years I'd end negotiations right there (if I even started them). He's been ok in spurts, but there's never been a run of form where he has felt like a matchwinner more than very occasionally. Quite frankly, we can do better, even on the cheap if we're smart.

11 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

You're probably right. I'd say it's a symptom of people who don't mind throwing money away first and foremost.

If he was a symptom of that, he'd be a lot more expensive. He was a very small fee (not free as RF99 said) and will be on a fairly low wage for a Championship player. He's a symptom of cheapskate ownership and a dried up transfer budget for years now.

[bluebruce]

17 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I see him as important squad player. He has played in every game this season. 

You don't. We will never agree here. 

I didn't realise that, but you're right, he's played in every league game this season, wow!

....and scored 1 goal and notched 1 assist, from left and right midfield/forward. In 20 games. Less goal contributions than Travis, a CM (2 goals, 1 assist). The same as Hyam, a CB.

Looking at similar positions, half of what Dolan (2 goals, 2 assists) in 18 games, Weimann (4 goals) in 15 games, and Joe Rankin Costello (2 goals, 2 assists) in 13 games, with some games spent at CM and RB, have contributed, all in less games.

Erm, bit shit really isn't it?

Btw, minutes comparison makes him look even worse next to Weimann and JRC.

Hedges: 1,289 minutes (1 GC per 644.5 minutes aka 1 every 7.16 games)

JRC: 726 minutes (1 GC per 181.5 minutes aka 1 every 2.016 games

Weimann: 720 minutes (1 GC per 180 minutes aka per 2 games)

Edited Thursday at 14:11 by bluebruce

[Paul Mani]

Patrick Bamford looking for a new challenge. 31yrs old, PL and Championship goals…6 month loan to supplement Gueye, Ohashi and Leonard?

I would…👍🏼

[KentExile]

15 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Patrick Bamford looking for a new challenge. 31yrs old, PL and Championship goals…6 month loan to supplement Gueye, Ohashi and Leonard?

I would…👍🏼

Polky posted this list (the list on the right of the 2 below) on the Gueye thread yesterday of most wasteful strikers in either Europe or the World

Gueye was 48th.  Bamford was 1st. 

 

I do recall Bamford offering a lot more than just goals a few years ago (thinking back to when Bielsa was in charge of Leeds), before his injury issues, but he is not the answer if we are looking for anything resembling a goal machine

Edited Thursday at 06:59 by KentExile

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

17 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Fuck sake. Not the move a club with any shred of ambition would do. He has achieved very little year on year and has also had issues with injuries in the last 18 months. 

Add his wages to a new deal for Travis.  Can't really credit him with being a decent squad player.  Surely someone from the academy could so his job. 

 

On a side note, did we ever get confirmation of the Tribunal fee for Finneran?

[KentExile]

34 minutes ago, Wing Wizard Windy Miller said:

On a side note, did we ever get confirmation of the Tribunal fee for Finneran?

We wont, it will be included in the accounts as part of the sum total of of received transfer fees.

However, the initial fee will almost certainly be under £500K,  but with numerous add on's based on his appearances at both club and international level, signing a pro contract at Newcastle, Newcastle's performance, which would probably take it over time to somewhere between £2M & £5M as long as he performs, and also a sell on fee (likely to be 15-20% of anything over the initial fee)

Fulham got an initial £1Mish, rising to about £4M + a similar sell on for Elliott from Liverpool who was a similar age & had made Premier League appearances before his move, which was also set by tribunal

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2021/02/harvey-elliott-tribunal-sees-liverpool-pay-bargain-fee-to-fulham/

 

Personally I have no real issue with the initial low fees, but the add ons ( taking the Elliott example) are a joke, surely if he performs, then a total fee of over £10M is more fair?  If he does not live up to the hype, then they are not paid  anyway.

But the system is rigged to benefit those at the top

Edited Thursday at 07:44 by KentExile

[Paul Mani]

31 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Polky posted this list (the list on the right of the 2 below) on the Gueye thread yesterday of most wasteful strikers in either Europe or the World

Gueye was 48th.  Bamford was 1st. 

 

I do recall Bamford offering a lot more than just goals a few years ago (thinking back to when Bielsa was in charge of Leeds), before his injury issues, but he is not the answer if we are looking for anything resembling a goal machine

I think Bamford is the type of player who could do great at Rovers. Has obvious talent, and pedigree. Has scored lots of goals in the past and at 31, still has a couple of good years in him if he gets back on track.

If JE can put an arm round him then who knows…

[RevidgeBlue]

52 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Patrick Bamford looking for a new challenge. 31yrs old, PL and Championship goals…6 month loan to supplement Gueye, Ohashi and Leonard?

I would…👍🏼

I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole personally. If you need someone to miss a sitter - he's your man.

Also exceptionally injury prone if memory serves me correctly.