January Transfer window

[den]

Question to Waggott….

Why does the tens of millions recieved from outgoing transfers, coupled with reinvesting virtually nothing for a long time now point more to receivership than ambition?

[Crimpshrine]

2 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Why would we want Dembele ? Only thought good enough to start 6 games with 6 substitute appearances for the team in 15th place in the table. No goals and one assist.

Why would we want Forshaw ?

[Crimpshrine]

2 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

No use to us then. Has he ever delivered at Championship level ?

Not the point being made is it? If the manager wanted him and he ended up at Oxford ( in the summer ) it is evidence that the manager does not have the backing of the board / owners

[islander200]

5 minutes ago, MB Rover said:

We’ve just signed a man from the same team that went down and been told to be happy cos it’s a Eustace player 😭 

Yeah but at least he was captain and started in this league regularly and in centre back terms is fairly young , and in fairness our defence hasn't been an issue this season 

We need a first choice winger, and Dembele wouldn't be a good signing for me.Certainly not a player to be "gutted" about not signing like some on here are 

[...]

Realistically what are the chances of Eustace actually moving on?

[Emerald Isle Rover]

2 minutes ago, ... said:

Realistically what are the chances of Eustace actually moving on?

I’m conflicted on this tbh

a poster mentioned on here before about him knowing what he was walking into and I agree with that. Our failures have been well known for two years now so he would have known what he was walking into 

does it make it right? Absolutely not

has he handled it better than JDT - 10000% 

but this was always something that could have happened 

[davulsukur]

3 minutes ago, ... said:

Realistically what are the chances of Eustace actually moving on?

He's an ambitious manager. The owners won't put any money into the team, despite bringing in significant amounts in transfer fees.

JE can only take us so far and once we hit that wall, knowing he won't get any more money to build the squad, he'll be looking for the exit. 

He'll make to the end of the season but once it's obvious there won't be any reasonable investment into the first team squad, he'll be off.

Not sure how long his contract is but the owners won't sack him, so he'll have to engineer his own exit.

[BlackburnEnd75]

1 minute ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

I’m conflicted on this tbh

a poster mentioned on here before about him knowing what he was walking into and I agree with that. Our failures have been well known for two years now so he would have known what he was walking into 

does it make it right? Absolutely not

has he handled it better than JDT - 10000% 

but this was always something that could have 

I think he will get trapped the same way jdt did. 

The club wouldn't accept his resignation meaning the next club he managed would still have to buy him out of his contract (probably one of our only saleable assets).

He could resign end of the month having proved he's done a good job during water into wine, hope another champ club buys him out. Or wait for his contract to expire and move on a free but that runs the risk of people forgetting about his good job here.

[JHRover]

Most prospective managers would know all about the past here but assume that if they haul a small squad into the top 6 against all the odds that the owners might sit up, take notice and invest to try and get to the PL even if they are disinterested or trying to save money. That's because most owners want to get to the PL and when presented with an unexpected yet very good chance of getting there would make some effort to finish the job. 

It was January 2022 that Mowbray realised that this wasn't on the agenda.

It was January 2023 that JDT realised that it wasn't on the agenda.

It is January 2025 when Eustace will realise that it isn't on the agenda.

As for Dembele / Oxford I am of the view that Oxford is now a more attractive prospect for a potential player in terms of finances and professionalism. They will conduct themselves in a manner befitting of a Championship football club and will be paying wages commensurate with this level. 

Even if we do eventually reach a financial level in keeping with Championship clubs, and I expect other than Plymouth we are probably right at the bottom these days, it follows all sorts of shenanigans and sometimes disgraceful conduct as we have seen with O'Brien and McGuire in recent seasons. 

Any potential player, agent, club would treat very carefully indeed before getting into any sort of 'deal' with this lot.

[Trinidad Rover]

5 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

I’m conflicted on this tbh

a poster mentioned on here before about him knowing what he was walking into and I agree with that. Our failures have been well known for two years now so he would have known what he was walking into 

does it make it right? Absolutely not

has he handled it better than JDT - 10000% 

but this was always something that could have happened 

I think there is an important difference between the situation JDT walked into vs Eustace.

JDT was promised funds for the 'project' and that summer he got some. The rug was then pulled from under him and the taps completely turned off - that's when he offered to resign. What he was promised vs what he got were different and he rightly call the club out on it.

Eustace likely walked into a situation knowing there was sod all to spend and so it comes to fruition. He therefore has less room to whinge. 

Regardless - the fact Venkys continue to invest nothing is the bottom line. Eustace is ambitious and will likely leave. We will slide down the league and squander another top 6 opportunity, for what, the 3rd time?

Rovers under Venkys is PURGATORY.

 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

3 minutes ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:

I think he will get trapped the same way jdt did. 

The club wouldn't accept his resignation meaning the next club he managed would still have to buy him out of his contract (probably one of our only saleable assets).

He could resign end of the month having proved he's done a good job during water into wine, hope another champ club buys him out. Or wait for his contract to expire and move on a free but that runs the risk of people forgetting about his good job here.

Would likely depend on what/if any job role is available in jan 

but I will reiterate surely John has known this could have happened as two years prior has been the same nonsense 

[BlackburnEnd75]

1 minute ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Would likely depend on what/if any job role is available in jan 

but I will reiterate surely John has known this could have happened as two years prior has been the same nonsense 

Perhaps he's naive.

Perhaps he's covered himself in his contract. 

Perhaps he just needed the work and income desperately at the time.

This is not something we are going to be privy too.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

Just now, BlackburnEnd75 said:

Perhaps he's naive.

Perhaps he's covered himself in his contract. 

Perhaps he just needed the work and income desperately at the time.

This is not something we are going to be privy too.

Correct 

but if he’s naive - that’s on him

needed work and knew - that’s on him

in his contract - that’s smart but we don’t know 

bottom line is there’s an abundance of evidence regarding the monumental failings of our owners/directors and recruitment team/s

 

[MB Rover]

Not sure there’s many places for Eustace to go were he to leave. It takes balls to leave a good salary to become unemployed in a market as competitive as football management. Half a season (if that) at Birmingham, kept us up with the top scorer in the league and then (complete guess here) a mid table finish with us. 

We know the inner workings of the club, but were he to leave does:

- Half a season at Birmingham

- Staying up by a couple of points

- Mid table finish

Warrant a top end championship job? When the likes of Dyche (multiple promotions), Cooper (promotion), etc. are out of work? We know he’s a good manager, but I’m not sure many outside clubs looking in will take that long of a look at him. 

[BankEnd Rover]

1 minute ago, MB Rover said:

Not sure there’s many places for Eustace to go were he to leave. It takes balls to leave a good salary to become unemployed in a market as competitive as football management. Half a season (if that) at Birmingham, kept us up with the top scorer in the league and then (complete guess here) a mid table finish with us. 

We know the inner workings of the club, but were he to leave does:

- Half a season at Birmingham

- Staying up by a couple of points

- Mid table finish

Warrant a top end championship job? When the likes of Dyche (multiple promotions), Cooper (promotion), etc. are out of work? We know he’s a good manager, but I’m not sure many outside clubs looking in will take that long of a look at him. 

Think he's missed the boat with 2 clubs which he might of favoured - Stoke & West Brom.

I assumed if he was out of work he'd of gone to those but your point is valid.

[BigHoz]

Regardless of what mowbray,JDT,Eustace knew/know, each one if those managers has had us in a fantastic position to challenge for promotion, for the club not to recognise this and back one of them even just once, give it a little go, help the lads to achieve what they all dream of is a joke. Not once has the club had the managers and players backs. So what’s the plan?  What’s the end game? Just sell the club, you’re not getting your money back if you have zero ambition.  The fans/players deserve a show of ambition and an attempt to go for promotion. Pointless club that’s going to continue to be stale and lose Money with zero ambition. 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

Just now, BigHoz said:

Regardless of what mowbray,JDT,Eustace knew/know, each one if those managers has had us in a fantastic position to challenge for promotion, for the club not to recognise this and back one of them even just once, give it a little go, help the lads to achieve what they all dream of is a joke. Not once has the club had the managers and players backs. So what’s the plan?  What’s the end game? Just sell the club, you’re not getting your money back if you have zero ambition.  The fans/players deserve a show of ambition and an attempt to go for promotion. Pointless club that’s going to continue to be stale and lose Money with zero ambition. 

Yep 100% 

[MarkBRFC]

17 minutes ago, MB Rover said:

Not sure there’s many places for Eustace to go were he to leave. It takes balls to leave a good salary to become unemployed in a market as competitive as football management. Half a season (if that) at Birmingham, kept us up with the top scorer in the league and then (complete guess here) a mid table finish with us. 

We know the inner workings of the club, but were he to leave does:

- Half a season at Birmingham

- Staying up by a couple of points

- Mid table finish

Warrant a top end championship job? When the likes of Dyche (multiple promotions), Cooper (promotion), etc. are out of work? We know he’s a good manager, but I’m not sure many outside clubs looking in will take that long of a look at him. 

He did a full season at Birmingham, getting the most points for them in a season since 2016, then he had a really good 3 months the following season and left them sitting in 6th.

Took over a bit of a mess here, and while unconvincing did stop the slide to some degree by making us a lot harder to beat, then this season after 27 games has us sat in 5th.

Eustace won't have to wait to long again for a Championship job should he become available. 

Edited Monday at 11:34 by MarkBRFC

[MB Rover]

10 minutes ago, BigHoz said:

Regardless of what mowbray,JDT,Eustace knew/know, each one if those managers has had us in a fantastic position to challenge for promotion, for the club not to recognise this and back one of them even just once, give it a little go, help the lads to achieve what they all dream of is a joke. Not once has the club had the managers and players backs. So what’s the plan?  What’s the end game? Just sell the club, you’re not getting your money back if you have zero ambition.  The fans/players deserve a show of ambition and an attempt to go for promotion. Pointless club that’s going to continue to be stale and lose Money with zero ambition. 

JDT was the one, a striker away from promotion and an FA Cup semi final. Played the best football in the league and would’ve won the playoffs for my money. What they did to him and us that season was absolutely criminal.

[MB Rover]

2 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

He did a full season at Birmingham, getting the most points for them in a season since 2016, then he had a really good 3 months the following season and left them sitting in 6th.

Took over a bit of a mess here, and while unconvincing did stop the slide to some degree by making us a lot harder to beat, then this season after 27 games has us sat in 5th.

Eustace won't have to wait to long again for a Championship job should he become available. 

53 points… a bit like winning an award for being the worlds tallest midget 🤣

He’ll have stiff competition for any other job and maybe he would get another yes. I’m more talking about if he’d get a job that’s ‘better’ (I know)  than this one. For example, if Swansea or Cardiff appointed him.. is that any better in career progression? Just got to be careful he doesn’t get a reputation as a manager you get when you’re in trouble. 

[den]

50 minutes ago, ... said:

Realistically what are the chances of Eustace actually moving on?

Virtually every manager I’ve seen at Ewood for 65yrs+ has moved on. Eustace will definitely move on, it’s just a matter of when he gets a better offer. The way things are it will be sooner rather than later.

Why the hell wouldn’t he?

[Exiled_Rover]

11 minutes ago, MB Rover said:

53 points… a bit like winning an award for being the worlds tallest midget 🤣

He’ll have stiff competition for any other job and maybe he would get another yes. I’m more talking about if he’d get a job that’s ‘better’ (I know)  than this one. For example, if Swansea or Cardiff appointed him.. is that any better in career progression? Just got to be careful he doesn’t get a reputation as a manager you get when you’re in trouble. 

I hate that the Transfer Thread has devolved to this - but he's done an excellent job at two basket case clubs.

He'd walk into another Championship job.

Cardiff are another basket case club btw.

Career progression after Rovers (and Birmingham) is a club where the owners aren't actively working against you.

[TheRevAshton]

I feel sorry for any gaffer who ends up working here under these owners and their minions, they simply never stand a chance. Especially someone like Eustace who, as well as being a fantastic coach, seems like an absolute gentleman.

Pains me to say such things... Outside of my family and a few close friends, there are very few things that I love more than this Football Club.

We're just stuck in absolute limbo, it's a genuine nightmare. The same shit season after season.

Every now and again there is a glimmer of hope, yet it's consistently sabotaged by the very people who will benefit as much as anyone from the Club's success.

Edited Monday at 12:10 by TheRevAshton

[MarkBRFC]

29 minutes ago, MB Rover said:

53 points… a bit like winning an award for being the worlds tallest midget 🤣

He’ll have stiff competition for any other job and maybe he would get another yes. I’m more talking about if he’d get a job that’s ‘better’ (I know)  than this one. For example, if Swansea or Cardiff appointed him.. is that any better in career progression? Just got to be careful he doesn’t get a reputation as a manager you get when you’re in trouble. 

Yes, because he won't be working for Venkys.

[JHRover]

32 minutes ago, MB Rover said:

JDT was the one, a striker away from promotion and an FA Cup semi final. Played the best football in the league and would’ve won the playoffs for my money. What they did to him and us that season was absolutely criminal.

Agreed. I'll never forgive or forget what they did. A dingle would have struggled to sabotage us more than they did. No coming back from that, ever, no matter what claptrap they come out with to try and rewrite history.