January Transfer window

[roversfan99]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Shouldn't we judge the player and any player how they play here? 

I get you 2 examples of players you probably thought were underwhelming signings when they signed in Steven Nzonzi and Chris Samba. 

Also haven't we scouted this player given we were linked with him in the summer. 

Yes, as I have just said, we will.

You even were somewhat critical of the level he is coming from and saying signings like this arent good enough in terms of the investment.

Just because we scouted him doesnt mean much, we presumably scout all the players we sign.

Obviously he could be a hidden gem. If you want examples of times weve signed random players and they werent good enough, Telalovic, Petshi, Koita and Goulon.

[wilsdenrover]

Sometimes people are excited by a signing and he turns out to be a flop.

Sometimes people are underwhelmed by a signing and he turns out to be a success.

Other combinations are available.

 

Edited 20 hours ago by wilsdenrover

[Torgeir]

18 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

We’re getting 2 only so Kargbo plus 1 but your right we’re too late 

Says who?

[chaddyrovers]

11 hours ago, arbitro said:

But why would you assume that any new signings would be behind Travis and Tronstad if they are better players? Both have been really good this season but to improve we have to bring in better players irrespective of where they play. If O'Brien does (miraculously) sign will be be back up to them? The only concession I would make us that there are other positions we need to improve on as a priority. But it is my belief that this simply won't matter as on February 3rd we will all be, once again disappointed.

I understand your points made and agree somewhat but given the budget we have(which should be much higher and spending some decent money this window(£5m). 

I agree our priority should be on other areas like a quality striker, left side attacking player and left back with Pickering injury

11 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Even if whoever we signed wasnt as good as those 2. You are defending Forshaw as if there isnt a sliding scale of how inferior any player is to those 2.

My issue isnt even that Forshaw isnt as good. It is that he is so much worse, that he isnt good enough to step in.

As other poster said that Forshaw was good yesterday and I agree with him that some people minds were mind up on him before he put a Rovers shirt on

10 hours ago, unleaded said:

Personally I like Kargbo … came on last 20 min yesterday with his team playing with 10 ….. plays in Hedges position was fast & direct … hit the post from which the penalty was awarded …Fans favourite which is a good marker … would rather have a permanent then a ACD / Jed Wallace type who would be off in 4 months…

good for the update Unleaded. 

You seem to rate this player and know abit him. 

[islander200]

17 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

We’re getting 2 only so Kargbo plus 1 but your right we’re too late 

I think 3 will be brought in ,and they will leave Hilton out of the 25 man squad 

It won't be the experience and recognised quality in this division that Eustace wanted but I do think we will bring 3 in especially if Kargbo has been chosen for left wing  as he will be permanent leaving us 2 loan spots making up the 5 that can be part of the match day squad 

[chaddyrovers]

6 hours ago, neophox said:

Total of 12 goals from Telalovic in 16 games this season for Ulm...think they will make a huge profit on him...

Pleased for him and I hope his good form carry ons for the rest of the season and beyond

[Emerald Isle Rover]

5 minutes ago, Torgeir said:

Says who?

Our 25man squad list and Eustace says he doesn’t expect any further outgoings 

personally would remove Hilton but don’t think any manager would leave themselves short on gks

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

They then spunked all the parachute payments on the likes of Danny Murphy, Rochini, Goodwillie, Etuhu, Best, Orr, Hanley, Olsson twins, Miles fucking Anderson.

Agree with a lot of your post, but I think your memory failed you on this bit.

Hanley was an academy product, and we made millions on him, so any contracts were warranted if that's what you meant. Martin Olsson was also already at the club when Venkys arrived. Marcus Olsson signed the January before relegation for a nominal fee. Orr, Goodwillie, Rochina and Miles 'that tackle' Anderson were all signed in the Prem.

Only Murphy, Etuhu and Best were signed using the parachute payments. From the list you gave anyway.

I also thought Martin Olsson was pretty much regarded as a successful signing for us. Nominal fee, loads of appearances, dived to win a penalty against Burnley, sold on for for over 2.5 million.

[chaddyrovers]

12 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Yes, as I have just said, we will.

You even were somewhat critical of the level he is coming from and saying signings like this arent good enough in terms of the investment.

Just because we scouted him doesnt mean much, we presumably scout all the players we sign.

Obviously he could be a hidden gem. If you want examples of times weve signed random players and they werent good enough, Telalovic, Petshi, Koita and Goulon.

Yes it could go either way and I think its best to judge if he signs here and his performances. 

You can made judgements before but based on what given where he is playing, how likely we would have seen him, etc ? 

[bluebruce]

5 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Our 25man squad list and Eustace says he doesn’t expect any further outgoings 

personally would remove Hilton but don’t think any manager would leave themselves short on gks

We won't need Hilton, and even if both goalies were out we have other young keepers who don't appear to be any worse than him. They don't need registering due to their age. I'd be stunned if we weren't happy to loan Hilton out if we need a squad space.

[bluebruce]

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I understand your points made and agree somewhat but given the budget we have(which should be much higher and spending some decent money this window(£5m). 

You still think we will spend £5 million this window?

[wilsdenrover]

9 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Our 25man squad list and Eustace says he doesn’t expect any further outgoings 

personally would remove Hilton but don’t think any manager would leave themselves short on gks

Remove Hilton and rely on emergency GK loan if necessary? 

[47er]

40 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Cambridge rover has him at 0% there already 

We're gambling. Its like only backing horses with odds of 100-1 in the hope that one will eventually win.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

6 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

We won't need Hilton, and even if both goalies were out we have other young keepers who don't appear to be any worse than him. They don't need registering due to their age. I'd be stunned if we weren't happy to loan Hilton out if we need a squad space.

I really doubt JE thinks that way that’s just you/I as a fan thinking to free up a space 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

3 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Remove Hilton and rely on emergency GK loan if necessary? 

Don’t think JE would be too keen on that and nor would I 

[bluebruce]

3 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Remove Hilton and rely on emergency GK loan if necessary? 

I nearly said this myself, but the squad would already be full. I don't know if the rules allow you to swap one of your players, like an injured goalie, out after the window shuts.

Like I said though, we have other youth keepers who don't seem to be any worse.

[onlyonejackwalker]

13 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Agree with a lot of your post, but I think your memory failed you on this bit.

Hanley was an academy product, and we made millions on him, so any contracts were warranted if that's what you meant. Martin Olsson was also already at the club when Venkys arrived. Marcus Olsson signed the January before relegation for a nominal fee. Orr, Goodwillie, Rochina and Miles 'that tackle' Anderson were all signed in the Prem.

Only Murphy, Etuhu and Best were signed using the parachute payments. From the list you gave anyway.

I also thought Martin Olsson was pretty much regarded as a successful signing for us. Nominal fee, loads of appearances, dived to win a penalty against Burnley, sold on for for over 2.5 million.

Whilst my memory isn't the best they were all part of our championship squad circa 2012 / 13 when the parachute payments were being wasted.

I could have mentioned others. I meant Rahem Hanley. Grant did ok for us. Orr and Goodwillie were disastrous. Formica. King, Kazim Richards, Gomez, Nunes, Riviera etc. We had a very expensively compiled squad of total underachievers paying out big salaries.

I wish someone like Eustacd had been in charge at that time. 

 

Edited 20 hours ago by onlyonejackwalker
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[bluebruce]

1 minute ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

I really doubt JE thinks that way that’s just you/I as a fan thinking to free up a space 

Why do you doubt it? It's entirely rational thinking. I'm sure he'd much rather have a decent outfield player who will definitely be needed, than a shit third choice keeper who probably won't and from all accounts isn't any better than the likes of Michalski, who has sat the bench before.

[Armchair supporter supremo]

40 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Shouldn't we judge the player and any player how they play here? 

I get you 2 examples of players you probably thought were underwhelming signings when they signed in Steven Nzonzi and Chris Samba. 

Also haven't we scouted this player given we were linked with him in the summer. 

To examples from over 15 years ago 😅 unheard of or low reputation players that arrived and turned out to be poor probably out number them by at least 10 to 1(especially during the veny reign of wank) 😄

 

That said.... I do see potential in kargbo(but don't see him as the answer to our lack of goals) 

Edited 19 hours ago by Armchair supporter supremo

[wilsdenrover]

Just now, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Don’t think JE would be too keen on that and nor would I 

Because you wouldn’t trust SW to get an emergency GK in or for some other reason?

[roversfan99]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes it could go either way and I think its best to judge if he signs here and his performances. 

You can made judgements before but based on what given where he is playing, how likely we would have seen him, etc ? 

It doesnt need emphasising that he will be judged on a Rovers shirt if he signs. Obviously that is the case.

I and many others, including you who criticised the club once you learnt of a potential signing from where he is coming from. Just are stating reservations that they have.

[Emerald Isle Rover]

2 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Because you wouldn’t trust SW to get an emergency GK in or for some other reason?

Correct or in time for a game anyway takes way too long 

[Emerald Isle Rover]

3 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Why do you doubt it? It's entirely rational thinking. I'm sure he'd much rather have a decent outfield player who will definitely be needed, than a shit third choice keeper who probably won't and from all accounts isn't any better than the likes of Michalski, who has sat the bench before.

It is rational thinking I agree - firstly I doubt we will get 3 in rendering the decision irrelevant 

[Exiled_Rover]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Its hard to get excited about Kargbo potentially signing.

We do need a quick winger, mind you we thought we were getting that with ACD. And he would be permanent. But its hard not to draw paralells with Telalovic, he seemingly thrived in Serie C and has struggled in Serie B. Its not a signing befitting a Championship play off push and even chaddy was critical of it. 

No doubt he will be our only permanent signing too. With one or two loans on top.

Anyone that watched 30 seconds of ACD could tell you he isn't quick. 

[Exiled_Rover]

8 minutes ago, Emerald Isle Rover said:

Don’t think JE would be too keen on that and nor would I 

We're playing Calamity Pears in net. We clearly don't value the GK position too much.

Get Hilton de-registered if it allows us to bring in another good outfield player.