v Portsmouth (h) - 23/11/2024 GAME POSTPONED

[1874]

Hard to predict this

https://check-for-flooding.service.gov.uk/station/5048?tid=557799

[DaveyB]

Frustrating that today’s game was called off, but it isn’t the case that this was caused by just a bit of rain. There’s been snow and ice on the hills surrounding the area all week and the increased temperature today meant that all of that has thawed and flowed into the river and that, coupled with the heavy rain, has caused the issue.

Ewood isn’t the only area that has suffered - I’m in Bacup and the whole town centre here is under water because of the same thing 

[martonrover]

Not sure if anyone has already made the point, but the blame for today's postponement lies firmly with Brett Emerton.

[chaddyrovers]

 

 

[only2garners]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

The referee should be available to inspect the pitch provided he is in the area otherwise a local referee would do it. As I said earlier inspecting a pitch several hours before kick off is difficult and several factors have to be considered including the forecast and more importantly the travelling supporters. Interestingly all the Scottish Premier league kick offs were delayed and all are going ahead now. Delaying a kick off is not something I can recall in the Premier League or even EFL.

Whilst I can imagine that delaying a kick-off could be a viable option for many games and different conditions I can’t see that it would have worked today. To get to Ewood for 3pm today a Portsmouth fan would have needed to catch a train at 6.45am and would not be home until after midnight with a normal finish. I imagine by road it would be much the same.
 

So even with a breakfast inspection 2,000 fans would also be well on their way and it would have been tough to make a clear decision then anyway. Delaying the kick-off would mean that anyone on the train would not be able to get home tonight.

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

How could you possibly know for sure that the pitch was playable, and more than the referee based on a couple of keepers diving around for a short while in the corner of the pitch.

I told you in previous response, plus the keepers trained in the penalty area pre game. Maybe you don't see that

[roversfan99]

29 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I told you in previous response, plus the keepers trained in the penalty area pre game. Maybe you don't see that

You didnt know, you couldnt possibly have judged from that on par with the referee who will have done a full inspection, you were annoyed having travelled and just created an agenda that the referee having made the effort to get to Ewood just didnt fancy it. 

[chaddyrovers]

19 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You didnt know, you couldnt possibly have judged from that on par with the referee who will have done a full inspection, you were annoyed having travelled and just created an agenda that the referee having made the effort to get to Ewood just didnt fancy it. 

Still carrying on with yourself again. 

Agenda? 😂😂😂

Annoyed at Travelling? 🤣

[Blue blood]

Remember a game vs Boro years ago when the pitch was spectacularly waterlogged and yet we still played. I think we won and Woodgate was rubbish? 

I'm sure our cost cutting would have not helped the situation. Not sure whether it tipped the balance or was immaterial but it's pretty crap our motto is every little hinders. 

[tomphil]

2 hours ago, martonrover said:

Not sure if anyone has already made the point, but the blame for today's postponement lies firmly with Brett Emerton.

I reckon storm Bert could cross better than our Bert though.

[Mike E]

2 hours ago, martonrover said:

Not sure if anyone has already made the point, but the blame for today's postponement lies firmly with Brett Emerton.

That took me a minute! Bravo!

[M_B]

3 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

just been informed (unofficially) that the groundstaff refused to clear water off the pitch and do any work in getting the pitch ready today ,swag has cut their free food and drink allocation that they are usually entitled to when on duty during match day and now the staff have all threatened to walk out unless they get their pies and coffee back,swag reportedly told them working here  is privilege and you should be grateful,players also not happy and have had a whipround for the groundstaff,dolan was sent to levers on bolton road to get the grounstaff their lunch,everybody  at the club now hate swag more then ever,it this carries on there will no no one left staff wise at ewood🥴

To be honest, that does sound as unofficial as it gets.

[Upside Down]

4 hours ago, JHRover said:

I don't think any of us know for certain one way or the other. Unless you're a civil engineer and have been lucky enough to have been down in the River Darwen inspecting the drainage pipes recently.

It might just be bad fortune of being next to a river that is flooding during intense rainfall. It might be down to a sustained lack of investment in facilities stretching back decades. It is probably a combination of the two creating a dismal situation. 

 

 

Well luckily I am a civil engineer with 10 years of drainage behind me as well.

All the stormwater drainage at Ewood will be discharged into the river. If the river is absolutely bulging like has been suggested then there's nowhere for the water to go.

Couple this with fourteen years of total neglect and you've got standing water that isn't going away.

Not the club's fault really here as this sounds like an extreme weather event, but as per usual it's a problem that will be made worse by the way things have been run for the last fourteen years.

[tomphil]

It's getting noticed now quite a few fans of other clubs moaning that 'it's a regular thing with Blackburn this it needs looking into'

We'll probably end up coping a fine before long.

[had.e.nuff]

20 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

Well luckily I am a civil engineer with 10 years of drainage behind me as well.

All the stormwater drainage at Ewood will be discharged into the river. If the river is absolutely bulging like has been suggested then there's nowhere for the water to go.

Couple this with fourteen years of total neglect and you've got standing water that isn't going away.

Not the club's fault really here as this sounds like an extreme weather event, but as per usual it's a problem that will be made worse by the way things have been run for the last fourteen years.

I would think there would be some sort of device to stop the river backing up the drains to the pitch which would stop or slow down the water exiting into the river.

[cesus]

20 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

Well luckily I am a civil engineer with 10 years of drainage behind me as well.

All the stormwater drainage at Ewood will be discharged into the river. If the river is absolutely bulging like has been suggested then there's nowhere for the water to go.

Couple this with fourteen years of total neglect and you've got standing water that isn't going away.

Not the club's fault really here as this sounds like an extreme weather event, but as per usual it's a problem that will be made worse by the way things have been run for the last fourteen years.

Is there any remedial fix that could be done to stop this happening, or is it a huge expensive job that our landlords would refuse to sanction?

 

[M_B]

22 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

Well luckily I am a civil engineer with 10 years of drainage behind me as well.

All the stormwater drainage at Ewood will be discharged into the river. If the river is absolutely bulging like has been suggested then there's nowhere for the water to go.

Couple this with fourteen years of total neglect and you've got standing water that isn't going away.

Not the club's fault really here as this sounds like an extreme weather event, but as per usual it's a problem that will be made worse by the way things have been run for the last fourteen years.

If you've 10 years of drainage behind you, I'm not doing the rodding😁

[only2garners]

51 minutes ago, cesus said:

Is there any remedial fix that could be done to stop this happening, or is it a huge expensive job that our landlords would refuse to sanction?

 

No doubt there could be a solution but not only would it be hugely expensive as I mentioned above but it would be complicated to get Environmental Agency approval for if at all. There are enough issues with cleaning up our waterways nationally without someone coming along trying to develop a scheme just to save the postponement of the occasional football game.

[den]

I’m not a civil engineer but if the drains were feeding into a fast flowing river in the same direction as the current, the drains wouldn’t back up. The drainage has been great for over 30 years now.

Edited 3 hours ago by den

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

5 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

just been informed (unofficially) that the groundstaff refused to clear water off the pitch and do any work in getting the pitch ready today ,swag has cut their free food and drink allocation that they are usually entitled to when on duty during match day and now the staff have all threatened to walk out unless they get their pies and coffee back,swag reportedly told them working here  is privilege and you should be grateful,players also not happy and have had a whipround for the groundstaff,dolan was sent to levers on bolton road to get the grounstaff their lunch,everybody  at the club now hate swag more then ever,it this carries on there will no no one left staff wise at ewood🥴

Just been told the hot Pies all disappeared.

A certain CEO was observed exiting Ewood by the back door whilst licking his fingers.

[tomphil]

22 minutes ago, den said:

I’m not a civil engineer but if the drains were feeding into a fast flowing river in the same direction as the current, the drains wouldn’t back up. The drainage has been great for over 30 years now.

Well they would because the pipes draining under the pitch are unlikely to be the size of the eventual outflow into the river. Also at some point there might be multiple pipes merging somewhere under there i presume.

[Upside Down]

1 hour ago, cesus said:

Is there any remedial fix that could be done to stop this happening, or is it a huge expensive job that our landlords would refuse to sanction?

 

That would cost an exuberant amount of money as you'd need to install a massive detention chamber with a pumped outlet. As o2g mentioned, that's a ridiculous outlay just to prevent postponing one match every few years or even decades.

1 hour ago, had.e.nuff said:

I would think there would be some sort of device to stop the river backing up the drains to the pitch which would stop or slow down the water exiting into the river.

 

36 minutes ago, den said:

I’m not a civil engineer but if the drains were feeding into a fast flowing river in the same direction as the current, the drains wouldn’t back up. The drainage has been great for over 30 years now.

None of that matters as the level of the river dictates the outfall. As I'm sure everyone knows water always sits level. This is a one off weather event where, if what people said earlier is correct, you have snow melting and large rainfall. There's not much that can be done about this, and since the wealthy corporations and governments are doing absolutely fuck all to tackle the issues that we all face, we're only going to see more of these sorts of events.

In short, this probably isn't the club's fault on this one, but I'd put money on there being a long list of works that the ground staff are needing to undertake that aren't being done as we're operating on a do minimum model that will ultimately be more expensive than just doing the job properly.

Edited 2 hours ago by Upside Down

[den]

56 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

That would cost an exuberant amount of money as you'd need to install a massive detention chamber with a pumped outlet. As o2g mentioned, that's a ridiculous outlay just to prevent postponing one match every few years or even decades.

 

None of that matters as the level of the river dictates the outfall. As I'm sure everyone knows water always sits level. This is a one off weather event where, if what people said earlier is correct, you have snow melting and large rainfall. There's not much that can be done about this, and since the wealthy corporations and governments are doing absolutely fuck all to tackle the issues that we all face, we're only going to see more of these sorts of events.

In short, this probably isn't the club's fault on this one, but I'd put money on there being a long list of works that the ground staff are needing to undertake that aren't being done as we're operating on a do minimum model that will ultimately be more expensive than just doing the job properly.

If the river level was above the top of the drain and the drain was pointing in the same direction as the current, then there would be no restriction to the drain water as long as the pitch were higher than the river. That’s how I see it.

More interesting than talking about a postponed game 🙂

[Upside Down]

5 minutes ago, den said:

If the river level was above the top of the drain and the drain was pointing in the same direction as the current, then there would be no restriction to the drain water as long as the pitch were higher than the river. That’s how I see it.

More interesting than talking about a postponed game 🙂

Head pressure.

[47er]

Supporters welfare and safety should be more to the fore. Portsmouth supporters had to travel a huge distance for this game in difficult conditions. 

Probably some Rovers fans too.

Decision shouldn't be left till they've set off.

Better to call it off early if there's a doubt.

That applies generally too, Rovers fans have been  left stranded in past seasons.

Its a question of balance and its about time the fans came first.