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[roversfan99]

42 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

For me, Lewis Hall is our long term left back and we should be investing in him like we did with Ashley Cole under Sven. 

I would scrap it and play a couple of friendlies instead but reduced the number of international break during a season

I would have a straight 2 leg knock out tournament of 32 teams. So its a 9 games tournament 

Jones is part of Liverpool team who is playing very well and top of our PL.

What we have learnt is that we have a bigger pool of players to pick from who can play ay this league. 

Greece look very decent, Ireland are just average team with few PL players and Finland look very poor. 

Greece couldnt qualify for a 24 team Euros, losing to the mighty Georgia in a play off.

5 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Average? They're above average 

They arent, and some wouldnt be near the England squad if it wasnt for the fact that many of the first teamers couldnt be arsed with the nations league or play in positions of weakness.

[roverandout]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Dont know on Lewis Hall, he is just about cementing a start at Newcastle. Either way, its a problem position and one that half decent teams will fancy exploiting.

Just scrap it entirely, no need for friendlies nearly 2 years before a tournament. 

Id have stuck to the 8 groups of 4 format. Not this 36 team league.

Im not really sure that we have learnt much if at all from these 2 games. They were against 2 teams that couldnt even qualify for an expanded 24 team Euros that had the likes of Georgia and Albania there. The likes of Hall, Liveramento, Gibbs White, Solanke, Jones, Harwood Bellis and Gallagher are average Prem level players. (I know Gallagher has gone abroad where he is in and out for Atletico) They arent players that would compete against good teams, Ireland however have Championship players playing for them.

Harwood-Bellis gibbs-white look pretty average right now but potential to improve.  Solanke is scoring goals for a decent spurs team. Gallagher has improved massively since his move to atleti.  He looks more composed on the ball.  Madueke has definitely done enough to challenge saka. Jones looks like the man to play the number 6 role as does gomes.  The strength in depth now is off the roof

[roverandout]

I forget to mention Hall who has looked class In his two appearances. And Morgan rogers has looked like a really intelligent player 

[roverandout]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Greece couldnt qualify for a 24 team Euros, losing to the mighty Georgia in a play off.

They arent, and some wouldnt be near the England squad if it wasnt for the fact that many of the first teamers couldnt be arsed with the nations league or play in positions of weakness.

The same mighty Georgia who more than matched the eventual winners of the euros and have players playing for top clubs around Europe 

Edited November 17 by roverandout

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4 minutes ago, roverandout said:

The same mighty Georgia who more than matched the eventual winners of the euros and have players playing for top clubs around Europe 

So by that logic you're putting Georgia above England as the game against England was men against boys.

[roverandout]

Just now, Upside Down said:

So by that logic you're putting Georgia above England as the game against England was men against boys.

Yeah ok

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Harwood-Bellis gibbs-white look pretty average right now but potential to improve.  Solanke is scoring goals for a decent spurs team. Gallagher has improved massively since his move to atleti.  He looks more composed on the ball.  Madueke has definitely done enough to challenge saka. Jones looks like the man to play the number 6 role as does gomes.  The strength in depth now is off the roof

You are judging off pointless games against sides that didnt even qualify for a 24 team Euros. 

You also have history of bigging up players well beyond their capability due to being English. You once lauded our strength in depth a couple of years ago by saying how we had options like Harry Winks and Skipp.

Take your shout of Madueke having done enough to compete with Saka. No he hasnt. A couple of promising performances where his end product was inconsistent doesnt create a dilemma when the alternative is someone who has repeatedly produced for a title challenger over a number of years.

Lewis Hall is now being seen by you and chaddy as some sort of solution to our left back issues. He has made 24 league starts in his entire career, mainly for a side that played Dan Burn as a left back for most of that time. 

You say that Gallagher has massively improved since he joined Atletico. Has he? Is that based just on these 2 glorified friendlies against poor teams?

Ultimately, many of these players would struggle to make the squad when a proper tournament comes around anyway, so its immaterial. Our best team looks nothing like the one that has played in the last couple of games. Those same issues at left back, centre back and central midfield still exist at the top level.

[Andy]

Let's see how these players fare against proper, competitive opposition before we get excited about any of them.

It's one thing flattening an Ireland, but it's how you do against Italy, Spain or Germany that matters.

[roversfan99]

7 minutes ago, roverandout said:

The same mighty Georgia who more than matched the eventual winners of the euros and have players playing for top clubs around Europe 

They lost 4-1. And have 2 players playing for top clubs.

The problem is you struggle to approach conversations about England without it being covered in bias.

[roverandout]

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You are judging off pointless games against sides that didnt even qualify for a 24 team Euros. 

You also have history of bigging up players well beyond their capability due to being English. You once lauded our strength in depth a couple of years ago by saying how we had options like Harry Winks and Skipp.

Take your shout of Madueke having done enough to compete with Saka. No he hasnt. A couple of promising performances where his end product was inconsistent doesnt create a dilemma when the alternative is someone who has repeatedly produced for a title challenger over a number of years.

Lewis Hall is now being seen by you and chaddy as some sort of solution to our left back issues. He has made 24 league starts in his entire career, mainly for a side that played Dan Burn as a left back for most of that time. 

You say that Gallagher has massively improved since he joined Atletico. Has he? Is that based just on these 2 glorified friendlies against poor teams?

Ultimately, many of these players would struggle to make the squad when a proper tournament comes around anyway, so its immaterial. Our best team looks nothing like the one that has played in the last couple of games. Those same issues at left back, centre back and central midfield still exist at the top level.

I totally disagree but whatever 

[roversfan99]

Just now, Andy said:

Let's see how these players fare against proper, competitive opposition before we get excited about any of them.

It's one thing flattening an Ireland, but it's how you do against Italy, Spain or Germany that matters.

Even against Ireland, I dont think we had a shot on target against 11 men.

[roversfan99]

Just now, roverandout said:

I totally disagree but whatever 

Just with everything, based on a couple of glorified friendlies against poor sides?

[roverandout]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Just with everything, based on a couple of glorified friendlies against poor sides?

I'm never going to win an argument with u when it comes to England because like most on here because of the fact your not Interested In England you won't give any credit. U say I'm biased but your biased against England.  We could win the world cup by winning every game 10-0 and you'd probably still come out with a disparaging remark. That's why I find it hard to discuss the England team on the Rovers board. You have some on here even claiming to hate being English.  I'm not a complete realist I know but there's something special about the talent coming through and they're not 'average premiership players ' they won a major tournament 2 years ago ffs and some even won other underage tournaments a couple of years before that. There are some posters on here that make well rounded unbiased comments when it comes to England and some who wouldn't give u the steam off their piss. 

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, roverandout said:

I'm never going to win an argument with u when it comes to England because like most on here because of the fact your not Interested In England you won't give any credit. U say I'm biased but your biased against England.  We could win the world cup by winning every game 10-0 and you'd probably still come out with a disparaging remark. That's why I find it hard to discuss the England team on the Rovers board. You have some on here even claiming to hate being English.  I'm not a complete realist I know but there's something special about the talent coming through and they're not 'average premiership players ' they won a major tournament 2 years ago ffs and some even won other underage tournaments a couple of years before that. There are some posters on here that make well rounded unbiased comments when it comes to England and some who wouldn't give u the steam off their piss. 

How am I biased against England? 

You are getting carried away having beaten 2 sides that didnt even qualify for the Euros. Many of the players in the current squad are either average or have barely emerged into their current team. They are just making up the numbers because of a mixture of fitness concerns and the lack of importance that can be attributed to the nations league.

But the thing is, the current team and squad isnt anything like the side that would be playing if the game had anything riding on it anyway so it doesnt need to be a case of loads of potential new ready made starters are now here off the back of these fairly meaningless games. Saka, Rice, Alexander Arnold Palmer, Foden, Stones, Mainoo and whoever else will all come straight back either into the starting 11 or at least come on as sub. Shaw too if he is ever fit again Even some of the more likely squad players like Konsa will leap above average joes like Harwood Bellis. If we had a fully fit squad and a tournament tomorrow I would suggest that more than half of the current squad wouldnt make it.

The problem is youve made massive sweeping conclusions off these games. How can Madueke be considered anywhere near Sakas level? How can you possibly say based on 2 games that Gallagher has massively improved after about 10 games at a new club? How can you be so confident in Hall solving the left back issue after 24 club starts?

I have never said anything about hating being English so that obviously isnt at me. But under age groups dont necessarily determine senior winners and weve heard all the rubbish about something special before with a golden generation that player for player was stronger. Until we actually win a tournament then it perhaps needs to be parked.

 

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If England can put together a good squad and they get gifted the tournament draws they were getting under the wet lettuce then they could well win the next tournament with a proper manager in charge.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Greece couldnt qualify for a 24 team Euros, losing to the mighty Georgia in a play off.

Italy won Euro 2020 but couldnt qualify for world cup in 2022. 

Greece are a very decent team. 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

They arent, and some wouldnt be near the England squad if it wasnt for the fact that many of the first teamers couldnt be arsed with the nations league or play in positions of weakness.

That's your opinion but given that most players are injured. Englabd would have asked for information that they are injured to show that they are.

So Jones wouldnt have been in the squad given his form and performances for Liverpool recently? 

32 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

You are getting carried away having beaten 2 sides that didnt even qualify for the Euros.

And? You can only beat who you been draw against. You did the same thing whinging how Lucky Southgate was who we drew. Like we control it. Just get the job done and win the ga

32 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Many of the players in the current squad are either average or have barely emerged into their current team. 

Which of this squad have barely emerged into the current team? 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Take your shout of Madueke having done enough to compete with Saka. No he hasnt. A couple of promising performances where his end product was inconsistent doesnt create a dilemma when the alternative is someone who has repeatedly produced for a title challenger over a number of years.

Who says Saka is first choice for right winger position? Is his your first choice pick for that position? He ain't mine. Palmer plays there for me. 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Lewis Hall is now being seen by you and chaddy as some sort of solution to our left back issues. He has made 24 league starts in his entire career, mainly for a side that played Dan Burn as a left back for most of that time. 

So what is the solution for left back position? Who would you play there for our next game in March? 

Which is your starting 11 for our next game? 

My team would be:-

              Pickford 

TAA Stones Guehi Hall

            Rice Jones

Palmer Bellingham Gordon 

                  Kane 

You are very quickly to shoot down our suggestions or points so I look forward to seeing your answers to the above questions. 

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Italy won Euro 2020 but couldnt qualify for world cup in 2022. 

Greece are a very decent team. 

That's your opinion but given that most players are injured. Englabd would have asked for information that they are injured to show that they are.

So Jones wouldnt have been in the squad given his form and performances for Liverpool recently? 

And? You can only beat who you been draw against. You did the same thing whinging how Lucky Southgate was who we drew. Like we control it. Just get the job done and win the ga

Which of this squad have barely emerged into the current team? 

Who says Saka is first choice for right winger position? Is his your first choice pick for that position? He ain't mine. Palmer plays there for me. 

So what is the solution for left back position? Who would you play there for our next game in March? 

Which is your starting 11 for our next game? 

My team would be:-

              Pickford 

TAA Stones Guehi Hall

            Rice Jones

Palmer Bellingham Gordon 

                  Kane 

You are very quickly to shoot down our suggestions or points so I look forward to seeing your answers to the above questions. 

The thing is, its not me saying that your suggestion is wrong. Its me saying that in certain positions, we are weak. Left back is the main one. Hall may very well be the best option, as opposed to sticking players out of position at left back. We dont have a left back that I would have confidence in full stop.

[chaddyrovers]

8 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

The thing is, its not me saying that your suggestion is wrong. Its me saying that in certain positions, we are weak. Left back is the main one. Hall may very well be the best option, as opposed to sticking players out of position at left back. We dont have a left back that I would have confidence in full stop.

I asked you what your solution is the left back spot and who you pick there. No didnt answer it. Similar to whether Saka would be first choice pick for right winger or not, or what your starting 11 is. I have posted my starting 11 team injuries Permitting, who my left back is now and in the future. My opinion is clear on all of them

If you have any questions please ask and I will answer them

[roverandout]

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

How am I biased against England? 

You are getting carried away having beaten 2 sides that didnt even qualify for the Euros. Many of the players in the current squad are either average or have barely emerged into their current team. They are just making up the numbers because of a mixture of fitness concerns and the lack of importance that can be attributed to the nations league.

But the thing is, the current team and squad isnt anything like the side that would be playing if the game had anything riding on it anyway so it doesnt need to be a case of loads of potential new ready made starters are now here off the back of these fairly meaningless games. Saka, Rice, Alexander Arnold Palmer, Foden, Stones, Mainoo and whoever else will all come straight back either into the starting 11 or at least come on as sub. Shaw too if he is ever fit again Even some of the more likely squad players like Konsa will leap above average joes like Harwood Bellis. If we had a fully fit squad and a tournament tomorrow I would suggest that more than half of the current squad wouldnt make it.

The problem is youve made massive sweeping conclusions off these games. How can Madueke be considered anywhere near Sakas level? How can you possibly say based on 2 games that Gallagher has massively improved after about 10 games at a new club? How can you be so confident in Hall solving the left back issue after 24 club starts?

I have never said anything about hating being English so that obviously isnt at me. But under age groups dont necessarily determine senior winners and weve heard all the rubbish about something special before with a golden generation that player for player was stronger. Until we actually win a tournament then it perhaps needs to be parked.

 

I never said u regarding being English I mean upside down.  My rant was heat of the moment.  Can we still be friends?

[Hasta]

Got to love the Nations League

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c624w896kd4t

[roversfan99]

Foden, Saka, Grealish, Palmer and Rice all back involved today. Nations League clearly seen as an inconvenience.