v Leeds United (h) - 30/11/2024

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

52 minutes ago, M_B said:

The one at Norwich was, Tronstad asked for the ball, lost it and apologised.

Pears still got the blame on here.

The fact we're talking about mistakes that didn't actually result in a goal, should in itself suggest he's having a good season.

Anybody receiving the ball without being aware of opponents immediately behind them is in big trouble. Pears could see the situation clearly yet he still played a suicide pass.  We were really lucky not to go 1 down there.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

49 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

When Ohashi made that pass I said “that’s a serious pass” - it was weighted to perfection which made Dolans first touch easier

Our forward passing isn’t always so crisp but we played well in all areas of the pitch yesterday

I like Ohashi. He sets the tone for everybody else. His commitment to the team shines through. There was a moment yesterday when he chased the midfielder back to the half way line to win the ball back and get a free kick. That sort of attitude is contagious

Gueye on the other hand appears to be struggling to meet the demands of Eustace. It is unfortunate as I think there’s a player deep down in there but I have doubts he will make it at this level atm 

He had to thread the ball through a tight space. There was a player closing him down and the centre half was trying to get close to Dolan. The pass had just the right weight on it, the centre half was kidded into thinking he might be able to cut it out, giving Dolan the upper hand to beat him on the inside. 

He gave Dolan another great pass in the “ Boro “ game. He received a pass from Hedges on the half turn in centre field and immediately re-directed the ball out to Dolan on the left hand side. Great vision and execution. 

I like the lad, he works his socks of for the team and he must be a pain to play against. I could see him being a real threat if he had a partner to play off.

Edited December 1 by Tyrone Shoelaces

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

The one at Norwich was, Tronstad asked for the ball, lost it and apologised.

Pears still got the blame on here.

The fact we're talking about mistakes that didn't actually result in a goal, should in itself suggest he's having a good season.

The one yesterday - he didn’t put any pace on the ball. He just rolled it out in Tronstad’s general direction.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

It's interesting that we seem well suited/perform better against the top sides. Where we can defend in numbers and look to counter.  Sheffield apart we've competed very well against the other teams in the top 10 (should have had at least a point against Watford). 

Our issue is when we have to make the running against the 'lower' teams - Plymouth, Stoke, Coventry, PNE all leap to mind.  

We just lack real quality up top. 

Wouldn't be at all surprised to see us lose 2 or 3 of the more 'winnable' games coming up - Hull, Sheff Weds, Luton and Millwall. 

Win 3 and that would really  set us up for an exciting festive programme.  

[M_B]

53 minutes ago, tomphil said:

There are a few still waiting in the wings for Pears to throw one in the net, woe betide anyone who tried to keep faith in the lad a few months ago.

 

My main grumble has always been that any replacement keeper won't/wouldn't be subjected to the same scrutiny.

If a new keeper had come in in the summer and performed the same as Pears has this season, he would be lauded, not scrutinised to the nth degree.

Edited December 1 by M_B

[M_B]

9 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

The one yesterday - he didn’t put any pace on the ball. He just rolled it out in Tronstad’s general direction.

No, it was risky.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

The one at Norwich was, Tronstad asked for the ball, lost it and apologised.

Pears still got the blame on here.

The fact we're talking about mistakes that didn't actually result in a goal, should in itself suggest he's having a good season.

The one at Norwich was Pears' fault. As the keeper, he can see everything so it was stupid to make the pass and fortunately I think it was Tronstad again who bailed him out.

But he isnt making anything other than occasional goal costing mistakes this season with a few scares around that. He is having a good season off the back of a woeful one. He deserves credit for the imrpovement and has got it. Like I said yesterday goalkeeper has gone from being the main thing people wanted in the summer to not something mentioned ahead of January.

[M_B]

1 hour ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

When Ohashi made that pass I said “that’s a serious pass” - it was weighted to perfection which made Dolans first touch easier

Our forward passing isn’t always so crisp but we played well in all areas of the pitch yesterday

I like Ohashi. He sets the tone for everybody else. His commitment to the team shines through. There was a moment yesterday when he chased the midfielder back to the half way line to win the ball back and get a free kick. That sort of attitude is contagious

Gueye on the other hand appears to be struggling to meet the demands of Eustace. It is unfortunate as I think there’s a player deep down in there but I have doubts he will make it at this level atm 

I always say that the one thing Dolan does is set the tempo, and now Ohashi is looking like he's up to speed to help him,and Cantwell doesn't shirk his responsibilities either.

[Forever Blue]

In reference to the Pears pass,  JE acknowledged after the game that the players are told to play out from the back as it’s ‘playing the right way’.
 

So he wasn’t blaming the players, and as he is instructing the players to play that way then the players can’t really be blamed if they aren’t very good at it.
 

In fairness we are good at it but it is very high risk so if it leads to a goal then it gets highlighted. What isn’t highlighted is the 20 other times that it worked.

[M_B]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

The one at Norwich was Pears' fault. As the keeper, he can see everything so it was stupid to make the pass and fortunately I think it was Tronstad again who bailed him out.

But he isnt making anything other than occasional goal costing mistakes this season with a few scares around that. He is having a good season off the back of a woeful one. He deserves credit for the imrpovement and has got it. Like I said yesterday goalkeeper has gone from being the main thing people wanted in the summer to not something mentioned ahead of January.

You're rewriting history, Tronstad called for the ball, Pears got his angles right and bailed him out.

Most importantly it was Tronstad who apologised, I don't know how much evidence you need.

[Forever Blue]

4 minutes ago, M_B said:

You're rewriting history, Tronstad called for the ball, Pears got his angles right and bailed him out.

Most importantly it was Tronstad who apologised, I don't know how much evidence you need.

On the one yesterday you could see Pears telling Tronstad (after the danger had passed) that he should have come deeper to receive the ball. The implication being Tronstad was static.

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why do you keep mentioning this comment of don't play exciting thrill football? 

Last season, you wanted JDT to change tactics and he didn't, so has that not taught you we can't play that style of football and we need to well drilled, well organised who played good football when we can but not suicide football? I was wrong last season for backing JDT and his style, I can admitted my mistake and wrong opinion

Do you not think Eustace is doing a great job and he knows how to set a team up that is well drilled and well organised which can also play at the right moments? 

Why does Pears need to be Kaminski levels? 

He has improved this season overall and he just need to be himself and keep it simple. 

Maybe the reason why he isn't having to make saves you wouldn't expect is down to how we play defensively and very compact team with solid back 4 in front of him but also team that is similar most games? 

Your problem is that you are so on guard to defend Eustace that you often misinterpet what people are saying as if its a criticism. I think another poster (maybe arbitro but apologies if not) said something similar the other day.

Ive always said that its all about results, I am satisfied after a scrappy win and never satisfied by a high scoring open loss. As you said, I criticised Tomasson for continuing with his "principles" last season, something you couldnt possibly question at the time as he was the current manager. You look around and teams often play in a way not suiting their squad, I saw the highlights of Wolves giving away 3 stupid penalties yesterday after Gary O'Neil was persisting with playing out from the back. Ridiculous.

I dont think our attacking players are particularly good, Cantwell is obviously a talent but otherwise we lack goals, we lack pace and we lack real quality there. Symptomatic of the owners lack of investment of course. 

My point is that I think a manager like Eustace, he comes across as quite dull and his teams dont play "exciting" football, but his strengths lie in organisation and his teams play more pragmatic and defensive football. That is the type of manager that suits our current situation because we dont have the players to play expansive and open football, and that was my point. The fact that Eustace doesn't have stubbornness towards the sort of style that most teams try to play regardless of whether they are capable of it is a positive, and its leading to good results.

Im not sure why you have taken out that comment about not playing "thrill a minute" football and spun it as if I am demanding us to start playing like that.

Also on Pears. Obviously we would prefer someone like Kaminski was for us, he was better than Pears and saved us points. But for Pears to go from absolute liability to someone who only once or twice has us goals this season with mistakes is a notable improvement which I am crediting him for. He no longer is a glaring weakness in our team.

[roversfan99]

9 minutes ago, M_B said:

You're rewriting history, Tronstad called for the ball, Pears got his angles right and bailed him out.

Most importantly it was Tronstad who apologised, I don't know how much evidence you need.

Is this regarding yesterday or Norwich? Pears would have seen everything in front of him and shouldnt play either pass. Thankfully though neither led to a goal so it isnt overly important as long as he doesnt keep doing it.

[rigger]

2 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

On the one yesterday you could see Pears telling Tronstad (after the danger had passed) that he should have come deeper to receive the ball. The implication being Tronstad was static.

And yet Pears still gave him the ball ? If a pass isn't on, don't attempt it. 

[chaddyrovers]

The fans at the end of the game when Eustace came around post match to the BBE, the fans shown their support and thanks to Eustace as he did to the fans for their support during the game. 

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Is this regarding yesterday or Norwich? Pears would have seen everything in front of him and shouldnt play either pass. Thankfully though neither led to a goal so it isnt overly important as long as he doesnt keep doing it.

yesterday. Tronstad apologised for it

[bboy]

Some stats comparing to last year.

 

Last year we were on 28 points after 18 games. (1 game better this season). 

 

We then imploded last year with JDT eventually getting sacked. 6 points from 12 games.

 

Eustace then came in and 19 points from last 16.

 

Let's hope we avoid the annual festive implosion.

Edited December 1 by bboy

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Your problem is that you are so on guard to defend Eustace that you often misinterpret what people are saying as if its a criticism. 

You mentioned every single game post game about not exciting football or entertaining game. Those are your comments not mine and its across as criticism 

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Ive always said that its all about results, I am satisfied after a scrappy win and never satisfied by a high scoring open loss. As you said, I criticised Tomasson for continuing with his "principles" last season, something you couldn't possibly question at the time as he was the current manager. You look around and teams often play in a way not suiting their squad, I saw the highlights of Wolves giving away 3 stupid penalties yesterday after Gary O'Neil was persisting with playing out from the back. Ridiculous.

Scrappy win? We created the best chances yesterday and Farke said we deserved to win which was great to her. #

Wolves yesterday were stupid for keep doing that especially when Bournemouth pressed so high. After the Pears and Tronstad incident, I said just get the ball up the pitch, take no risks against this time

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont think our attacking players are particularly good, Cantwell is obviously a talent but otherwise we lack goals, we lack pace and we lack real quality there. 

Yet yesterday we created a few good chances and play the football in the right areas and time. Yet despite your point we lack goals, pace and quality we are 8th in the league and a possible shot of playoffs. 

 

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

My point is that I think a manager like Eustace, he comes across as quite dull and his teams don't play "exciting" football, but his strengths lie in organisation and his teams play more pragmatic and defensive football. That is the type of manager that suits our current situation because we don't have the players to play expansive and open football, and that was my point. The fact that Eustace doesn't have stubbornness towards the sort of style that most teams try to play regardless of whether they are capable of it is a positive, and its leading to good results.

Eustace just isn't as media savvy as other head coaches and managers out there, but he is good man management and the players like him. We have to been well organised and well drilled defensively otherwise we faced another relegation battle which no one wants but we do play good football when we attack but no all attack football

 

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Im not sure why you have taken out that comment about not playing "thrill a minute" football and spun it as if I am demanding us to start playing like that.

address above

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Also on Pears. Obviously we would prefer someone like Kaminski was for us, he was better than Pears and saved us points. But for Pears to go from absolute liability to someone who only once or twice has us goals this season with mistakes is a notable improvement which I am crediting him for. He no longer is a glaring weakness in our team.

I would prefer us to have Shearer as our number 9 but we don't. Pears is a good shot stopper but his confidence is high at the minute. His level has gone up recently

[Forever Blue]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why do you keep mentioning this comment of don't play exciting thrill football? 

Last season, you wanted JDT to change tactics and he didn't, so has that not taught you we can't play that style of football and we need to well drilled, well organised who played good football when we can but not suicide football? I was wrong last season for backing JDT and his style, I can admitted my mistake and wrong opinion

Do you not think Eustace is doing a great job and he knows how to set a team up that is well drilled and well organised which can also play at the right moments? 

Why does Pears need to be Kaminski levels? 

He has improved this season overall and he just need to be himself and keep it simple. 

Maybe the reason why he isn't having to make saves you wouldn't expect is down to how we play defensively and very compact team with solid back 4 in front of him but also team that is similar most games? 

Lots of revisionism there to suit your constant flip-flopping.
 

Under JDT we were goal difference away from the play offs on his only full season. So how could his tactics have been wrong? 
 

Last season it all went to shit in a 2 months period, mainly cos of injuries, lack of confidence and the players falling out with the manager.

[Ricky]

We do like to shoot ourselves in the foot sometimes. Give them 7000 tickets and then unable to sell them beer before the game. Surely there should be a back up plan in place when card machines aren’t available. 

[lraC]

15 minutes ago, Ricky said:

We do like to shoot ourselves in the foot sometimes. Give them 7000 tickets and then unable to sell them beer before the game. Surely there should be a back up plan in place when card machines aren’t available. 

Free beer all round, sounds good to me. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Your problem is that you are so on guard to defend Eustace that you often misinterpet what people are saying as if its a criticism. I think another poster (maybe arbitro but apologies if not) said something similar the other day.

Ive always said that its all about results, I am satisfied after a scrappy win and never satisfied by a high scoring open loss. As you said, I criticised Tomasson for continuing with his "principles" last season, something you couldnt possibly question at the time as he was the current manager. You look around and teams often play in a way not suiting their squad, I saw the highlights of Wolves giving away 3 stupid penalties yesterday after Gary O'Neil was persisting with playing out from the back. Ridiculous.

I dont think our attacking players are particularly good, Cantwell is obviously a talent but otherwise we lack goals, we lack pace and we lack real quality there. Symptomatic of the owners lack of investment of course. 

My point is that I think a manager like Eustace, he comes across as quite dull and his teams dont play "exciting" football, but his strengths lie in organisation and his teams play more pragmatic and defensive football. That is the type of manager that suits our current situation because we dont have the players to play expansive and open football, and that was my point. The fact that Eustace doesn't have stubbornness towards the sort of style that most teams try to play regardless of whether they are capable of it is a positive, and its leading to good results.

Im not sure why you have taken out that comment about not playing "thrill a minute" football and spun it as if I am demanding us to start playing like that.

Also on Pears. Obviously we would prefer someone like Kaminski was for us, he was better than Pears and saved us points. But for Pears to go from absolute liability to someone who only once or twice has us goals this season with mistakes is a notable improvement which I am crediting him for. He no longer is a glaring weakness in our team.

I thought yesterday’s game was exciting and I’m usually a critic. You must be hard to please.

[M_B]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Is this regarding yesterday or Norwich? Pears would have seen everything in front of him and shouldnt play either pass. Thankfully though neither led to a goal so it isnt overly important as long as he doesnt keep doing it.

Norwich, when Tronstad apologised for his own mistake.

That pass to the edge of the area is a big part of how Rovers play, it's played umpteen times a game. That we're talking about 2 instances in dozens of games where it went wrong but didn't actually cost us a goal would suggest it works rather well.

Edited December 1 by M_B

[chaddyrovers]

52 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Lots of revisionism there to suit your constant flip-flopping.
 

Under JDT we were goal difference away from the play offs on his only full season. So how could his tactics have been wrong? 
 

Last season it all went to shit in a 2 months period, mainly cos of injuries, lack of confidence and the players falling out with the manager.

Using hindsight and things we know now and not then like players unhappy or he offered to resign in the previous season, etc. 

In the second season, looking back his tactics didn't work during that last 2 months and why wouldn't he adapt like his first season. We played 3-4-4 during the early spell of his time here, so why not last season when we maybe could have changed it? Or not played with inverted full backs? Etc. 

10 minutes ago, lraC said:

Free beer all round, sounds good to me. 

No chance off that. 

I just entered the concourse at BBE and they were shutting the shutters on all kiosks due to off site problem with the card payment system 

[simongarnerisgod]

9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Using hindsight and things we know now and not then like players unhappy or he offered to resign in the previous season, etc. 

In the second season, looking back his tactics didn't work during that last 2 months and why wouldn't he adapt like his first season. We played 3-4-4 during the early spell of his time here, so why not last season when we maybe could have changed it? Or not played with inverted full backs? Etc. 

No chance off that. 

I just entered the concourse at BBE and they were shutting the shutters on all kiosks due to off site problem with the card payment system 

the club must have lost a fortune yesterday because of no cash payment policy