v Leeds United (h) - 30/11/2024

[K-Hod]

1 hour ago, Ricky said:

We do like to shoot ourselves in the foot sometimes. Give them 7000 tickets and then unable to sell them beer before the game. Surely there should be a back up plan in place when card machines aren’t available. 

Accepting cash? 😅.

[aletheia]

3 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

There’s a case for letting the players decide on the spur of the moment.

Disagree TS. Penalty taker should be decided before the game (with obvious reserve in case of injury etc). Said penalty taker (just like free kick takers) should be practising for hours after training instead of knocking off to the golf course 😉

England were useless at penalty shoot outs for years. Until they finally decided to think about it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13609489/Practice-makes-perfect-ice-cool-Ivan-Toney-insists-penalty-expert-GEIR-JORDET-Brentford-star-held-nerve-12-yards-Englands-shootout-win-Switzerland.html

[aletheia]

4 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

On the subject of Ohashi, the lad is a better player than a lot of people give him credit for.

✅

[aletheia]

2 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

In fairness we are good at it

Generally agree with most of the players but think Baath's mind turns to mush and should just always play safe.

He was tremendous yesterday though with clearing headers.

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

You mentioned every single game post game about not exciting football or entertaining game. Those are your comments not mine and its across as criticism 

Scrappy win? We created the best chances yesterday and Farke said we deserved to win which was great to her. #

Wolves yesterday were stupid for keep doing that especially when Bournemouth pressed so high. After the Pears and Tronstad incident, I said just get the ball up the pitch, take no risks against this time

Yet yesterday we created a few good chances and play the football in the right areas and time. Yet despite your point we lack goals, pace and quality we are 8th in the league and a possible shot of playoffs. 

 

Eustace just isn't as media savvy as other head coaches and managers out there, but he is good man management and the players like him. We have to been well organised and well drilled defensively otherwise we faced another relegation battle which no one wants but we do play good football when we attack but no all attack football

 

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I would prefer us to have Shearer as our number 9 but we don't. Pears is a good shot stopper but his confidence is high at the minute. His level has gone up recently

If you are reading them as criticism when I have repeatedly said that its a compliment to the manager then that is on you.

Eustace is a pragmatic, defensively focused manager and is managing a side that has some solid players in it but one that due to budget cuts is lacking in goalscorers and lacking in pace. Therefore his approach suits the players we have and that is shown by the results.

41 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I thought yesterday’s game was exciting and I’m usually a critic. You must be hard to please.

I wasnt specifically on about yesterday (I enjoyed both the game and mainly the result) and I dont understand how my comments are being seen as negative. Im not saying, its boring and we need to change. His pragmatic approach is the best approach with the players at his disposal.

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

yesterday. Tronstad apologised for it

I dont care who apologised. Pears shouldnt have passed it to him when he could see the full picture. Thankfully, he redeemed himself with the save so no harm done.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, Forever Blue said:

On the one yesterday you could see Pears telling Tronstad (after the danger had passed) that he should have come deeper to receive the ball. The implication being Tronstad was static.

Tronstad was a bit on his heels but Pears should have seen that.

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, Ricky said:

We do like to shoot ourselves in the foot sometimes. Give them 7000 tickets and then unable to sell them beer before the game. Surely there should be a back up plan in place when card machines aren’t available. 

Yes it's called cash.

[Dreams of 1995]

18 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

 

I wasnt specifically on about yesterday (I enjoyed both the game and mainly the result) and I dont understand how my comments are being seen as negative. Im not saying, it’s boring and we need to change. His pragmatic approach is the best approach with the players at his disposal.

You have called him dull on plenty of occasions

What isn’t negative about calling someone dull? 

[had.e.nuff]

1 hour ago, Ricky said:

We do like to shoot ourselves in the foot sometimes. Give them 7000 tickets and then unable to sell them beer before the game. Surely there should be a back up plan in place when card machines aren’t available. 

what like accepting  cash!

[onlyonejackwalker]

23 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Eustace is a pragmatic, defensively focused manager.

I'm not sure we can state that with any certainty.

Last year we were plummeting towards relegation conceeding three most weeks. We simply had to solidify defensively, there was no time to waste and no other option.

This season our best player and top scorer has scarpered and been replaced with the worst centre forward most of us have ever seen. Again leaving Eustace with no choice, but to focus on being hard to beat.

Since and including Stoke, we are seeing far more fluency going forward and creating some really good chances. We now need our strikers to contribute and take some of the responsibility off our defence.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

If you are reading them as criticism when I have repeatedly said that its a compliment to the manager then that is on you.

Eustace is a pragmatic, defensively focused manager and is managing a side that has some solid players in it but one that due to budget cuts is lacking in goalscorers and lacking in pace. Therefore his approach suits the players we have and that is shown by the results.

Cos you mentioned every time post game regarding of the result. Anyway lets move on and I accept your point on your position on this 

You are assuming that Eustace would open more up if he spent millions to spend but he is the head coach here and he is a very good head coach who the players like and enjoyed playing for. You also ignored that we did play some good football at the right times and right areas. 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont care who apologised. Pears shouldnt have passed it to him when he could see the full picture. Thankfully, he redeemed himself with the save so no harm done.

Yet we played the same ball to Travis during the first half after that incident

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

42 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Cos you mentioned every time post game regarding of the result. Anyway lets move on and I accept your point on your position on this 

You are assuming that Eustace would open more up if he spent millions to spend but he is the head coach here and he is a very good head coach who the players like and enjoyed playing for. You also ignored that we did play some good football at the right times and right areas. 

Yet we played the same ball to Travis during the first half after that incident

It couldn’t have the same ball because Pears passed it directly to Gnonto earlier.

[Andy]

15 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Perception of Raya IMO has been skewed by how good he has become in the many years since. He was very raw and young here and made plenty of mistakes in the season we came up to the Championship prior to his departure. It was obviously short sighted to let him go but even when he initially joined Brentford in that first season he was still making mistakes, notably one at Hull and also one in the play off final that cost them promotion. A mixture of experience, expert coaching and exposure to playing at the highest level has of course turned him into a totally different proposition. Had he stayed here he wouldnt be the same keeper.

Kaminski was excellent in the most part here. He won player of the season once and in his final season, he kept us in so many games (the Birmingham one at home stands out) but got an unfortunate injury which in the final couple of games prior to an extended spell on the sidelines, he made a couple of mistakes when he was carrying that injury. He then was never reinstated and moved on.

To suggest that the Sheffield Wednesday mistake was an isolated mistake by Pears would be absolute rubbish. Last season he made so many, he chucked one into his own net against Ipswich in the home game prior, he also made 2 mistakes at Plymouth, one at home to Hull, one away at Preston, one away at Swansea and one or two away at Ipswich that led to goals. Maybe more.

He was an absolute liability last season, regularly costing us goals. This season he made one at Coventry but otherwise the mistakes leading to goals (he has still had shaky moments, today v Leeds and a worse one at Norwich stand out) have been cut from his game and he deserves credit for that. He had a very much warranted reputation as a calamity who regularly cost us goals. Thankfully he has stopped doing that and the narrative is changing. When people mentioned in the past where we needed to strengthen, everyone said in net. Now they say other positions so he is gaining trust.

Agreed on all points.
Quite a bit of whitewashing going on here.

Raya was a good shotstopper for us, but was underdeveloped in others and nowhere near the GK he became at Brentford, never mind now.

And to suggest that the Sheffield disaster was an isolated incident is madness.
Pears was costing us goals - along with the Swedish lad when he played - on a consistent basis last season.
Even yesterday, his direct error very nearly cost us a goal.
Then his kicking was a mixed bag at best, with 3 going directly out for a Leeds throw, deep into injury time, when we needed to keep possession.

Pears has been much better this season against his previous standard, but to suggest that last season was not horrific from him - or that he still doesn't have a clanger in him - is just plainly wrong.

[Herbie6590]

The BRFCS POTM in association with PSL Soccer Leagues for yesterday’s game against Leeds Utd is…

[M_B]

8 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

The BRFCS POTM in association with PSL Soccer Leagues for yesterday’s game against Leeds Utd is…

Correct decision, great performance. He's as capable of being our best player as he is of having a bad un. He's a very important squad member.

Just why the "Hedges and Dolan" thing ever started, I've no idea, Dolan is much more valuable to Rovers.

[rigger]

41 minutes ago, Andy said:

Agreed on all points.
Quite a bit of whitewashing going on here.

Raya was a good shotstopper for us, but was underdeveloped in others and nowhere near the GK he became at Brentford, never mind now.

And to suggest that the Sheffield disaster was an isolated incident is madness.
Pears was costing us goals - along with the Swedish lad when he played - on a consistent basis last season.
Even yesterday, his direct error very nearly cost us a goal.
Then his kicking was a mixed bag at best, with 3 going directly out for a Leeds throw, deep into injury time, when we needed to keep possession.

Pears has been much better this season against his previous standard, but to suggest that last season was not horrific from him - or that he still doesn't have a clanger in him - is just plainly wrong.

Pears is playing well, for Pears.

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

You have called him dull on plenty of occasions

What isn’t negative about calling someone dull? 

Its an irrelevance to him as a football manager. 

3 hours ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

I'm not sure we can state that with any certainty.

Last year we were plummeting towards relegation conceeding three most weeks. We simply had to solidify defensively, there was no time to waste and no other option.

This season our best player and top scorer has scarpered and been replaced with the worst centre forward most of us have ever seen. Again leaving Eustace with no choice, but to focus on being hard to beat.

Since and including Stoke, we are seeing far more fluency going forward and creating some really good chances. We now need our strikers to contribute and take some of the responsibility off our defence.

He definitely could still play expansive football in spite of not having the players, Tomasson did last year, and loads of managers do. 

At Birmingham one common comment from their fans was that he played more pragmatic football there too. More than ever these days, people demand expansive football and anything else is deemed to be not moving with the times. Hence why you have League 2 sides trying to play out from the back.

Lately we still havent been playing expansively, but tend to create a small number of big chances a game through very cleverly crafted moves. They feel like ones worked on the training ground, Brittain did 2 crosses yesterday on the volley from crossfield passes, one he ballooned over everyone but the other led to Ohashi's chance.

2 areas which could give us more strings to our bow is to improve on set pieces as I still feel we defend them well enough but dont offer nearly enough threat from attacking them. And also we desperately need pace because when we sit back it would allow us to counter attack much better. Maybe ACD can help that but he needs new players to do it. Eustace said 4 areas to recruitment that he felt that the squad needed, one was pace but he didnt get it.

[47er]

4 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

The BRFCS POTM in association with PSL Soccer Leagues for yesterday’s game against Leeds Utd is…

He cops a lot of flak but we'll miss him when he's gone. For nothing as usual.

[USABlue]

19 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont care who apologised. Pears shouldnt have passed it to him when he could see the full picture. Thankfully, he redeemed himself with the save so no harm done.

Did anyone notice Pears geturing the Tronatadt that he should have come for it.  He us right you can not stand and wait for the ball in the box at this level you have to move to it.  That said it was dumb on Pears.  Why even risk it 

[ruggles1995]

[SpaceBarSlam]

18 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

The BRFCS POTM in association with PSL Soccer Leagues for yesterday’s game against Leeds Utd is…

Who was the BRFCS Player of the Month for November?

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, USABlue said:

Did anyone notice Pears geturing the Tronatadt that he should have come for it.  He us right you can not stand and wait for the ball in the box at this level you have to move to it.  That said it was dumb on Pears.  Why even risk it 

Pears frustrated me with his kicking on Saturday particularly when we were hanging on towards the end. One of the reasons I thought we brought Gueye on was to win a few headers and as Pears was kicking Gueye went out to the touchline clearly to win the header and get us further up the pitch. I can only remember one kick which got close to him, two went straight out of play and the others were won by Leeds players unchallenged.

[berkshireblue]

I THOUGHT WE WON

[Exiled_Rover]

49 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Pears frustrated me with his kicking on Saturday particularly when we were hanging on towards the end. One of the reasons I thought we brought Gueye on was to win a few headers and as Pears was kicking Gueye went out to the touchline clearly to win the header and get us further up the pitch. I can only remember one kick which got close to him, two went straight out of play and the others were won by Leeds players unchallenged.

Gueye won a couple of thundering headers at the end from goal kicks - granted he headed it into the middle of the pitch to no-one because our players didn't react to it, but they were both towering headers and what you'd expect of someone that size.