[Archived] Gary Bowyer Discussion

[Gav]

we haven't heard any chants for Bowyer to be sack in any of the games Ive attended this season.

The odd chant of Bowyer, Bowyer sort it out. that's been mainly it tbh.

haven't they been in the last couple of away games Chants of 'Gary Bowyer Blue and White Army'? I'm sure I have seen people mention on it on social media sites and on here.

You're right Chaddy, the fans have been very patient so far, but many more performances like yesterday and things could hot up from Gary Bowyer,

[Amo]

Both have done very well. Others much lower down the league haven't. Until Venky's select a new manager none of us can judge, but i wouldn't just appoint a new manager for the sake of it and 'take a risk' for the sake of it.

Then we're going around in circles. People are afraid of losing Bowyer because it might raise the risk that things will get worse. So the alternative is to do nothing and sleepwalk into oblivion.

You want these owners to roll the dice again?

Yes, because the club needs promotion and Bowyer isn't the man to deliver it. If we end up with someone worse, then so be it, but at least the owners will have tried to turn things around.

I think Keith Jackett is still available :-)

I'm sure I don't know what you mean.

I think Short had a very short tenure in Hungary as manager and got fired. Didn't he get fired from Notts County too?

I'm not here to defend Short's credentials. Although you could argue he was unfairly sacked at Notts County, only five months in charge and they were in midtable, not bad for a promoted side.

Your position seems to be you want anyone but Bowyer.

My position is that we need to try something different rather than sit on our hands and hope Bowyer has an epiphany.

[1864roverite]

If anyone from BRFC reads this forum, especially Mr Shaw, Mr vENKY or whoever you may be, here is a few pointers.

Yesterdays lack of effort was endemic of a club NOT having a manager at the helm.

It was inept, it was lacking effort, guile and basic football prowess, it was embarrassing and it was one huge let down for the clubs supporters.

Yesterday was a chance for some players to mark their claim for the biggest game in years to don the Ewood Park Middin (yes the pitch is an absolute disgrace) and yet what did we witness? Not one player can emerge with any real credit.

The manager has to take and shoulder the blame for that.

Don't give me tiredness, they earn more in a month that we do in a year. They had a job to do and failed so miserably it was a disgrace to the players past who have worn our shirt with pride.

Time and time again GB has whittled out the same excuses, not good enough, not good enough defensive, too tired, injuries take their toll, we weren't at the races etc etc etc.

Its a shambles on and off the pitch.

GB does not appear to have a plan B or indeed a plan A. Rovers have players that should walk this league YET we get bullied off the ball by players who wouldn't make a reserve team at Ewood. We see players making an effort for their clubs when at the same point we see some of our bone idle players just ambling through a game without a care in the world.

Its time for a change and this must be done NOW for the good of the club. Replace him NOW and bring in the likes of Mahoney and O'Sullivan and blood them. The club cant lose and they cant do any worse than those before them who have had chance after chance.

The club is dying on its feet, we will see maybe 10 or 11 players leave the club in the summer including our crown jewels who will be sold off to the highest bidder (if there are any) whilst the others will probably seek to leave in their knowledge the club is finished.

If yesterday was an advertisement for Liverpool then I am sure fans will be demanding their cash back, it really was the poorest for a long long time.

If Venkys have any sense, they will take one last look and ask just what can they do to get us back up. well the first plan must be to replace Bowyer, secure a half decent manager with EXPERIENCE and blag the loan market NOW in readiness for the new season.

There is one final shot before administration VENKYS, this is it. Get rid or give the club to the fans to run it properly.

Mr Shaw, if your reading, time is up, the clock has reached its final hour.

[Riverside67]

Many more performances like yesterday are you kidding??????????????

Last year Doncaster away, Bolton away, Wigan at home, Charlton at home , Birmingham at home, Bournemouth at home, Forest away,

This year

Rotherham away, Norwich away, Wolves home and away, Sheff Wed at home, Brentford away, Brighton at home.

That is just off ht etop of my head. I am sure there are many more where the team simply did not compete.

There are other games where we were simply beaten by better teams but the list of non competes is unacceptable

Too much of allowing standards to drop

Too many excuses

Tom much the nice guy

Two years in charge and we are in decline

I remember losing three nil at home to Aldershot many years ago............ yesterday was on a par.

Bowyer accepts the unacceptable. He is not a winner.

[den]

I guess the questions for his supporters are -

do you want promotion, if not, why not?

If you do, what have you seen to make you think that he's the man to get us there?

Gav, parson, Chaddy, Blueboy. Etc, etc......................

[Stuart]

Tom much the nice guy.

I've always said it.

[roverstdt]

I guess the questions for his supporters are -

do you want promotion, if not, why not?

If you do, what have you seen to make you think that he's the man to get us there?

Gav, parson, Chaddy, Blueboy. Etc, etc......................

He might not be good enough for promotion, but I would rather stick to what I know that what I don't. Do you really seriously trust Venky's to appoint a manager that would get the team up? I don't think, and the facts show they get more wrong than right with appointments. So i would rather wait until they get bored, keep Bowyer in charge and make a change when under a different owner.

[den]

He might not be good enough for promotion, but I would rather stick to what I know that what I don't. Do you really seriously trust Venky's to appoint a manager that would get the team up? I don't think, and the facts show they get more wrong than right with appointments. So i would rather wait until they get bored, keep Bowyer in charge and make a change when under a different owner.

Whoa, you're getting ahead of things.

Simple questions

Do you want promotion, if not why not?

If you do, what have you seen to suggest he's the man to get us there?

It's easy for me to answer.

Yes,

nothing.

[Gav]

I guess the questions for his supporters are -

do you want promotion, if not, why not?

If you do, what have you seen to make you think that he's the man to get us there?

Gav, parson, Chaddy, Blueboy. Etc, etc......................

I don't think he's got the tools to take us up den, I've said that right from the start.

But I also don't think Venkys have the ability to appoint anyone better, and until that changes we're snookered sadly.

Just as a side issue LVG has spent 200m so far at Utd, some fans are unhappy and want him out already, but most people in the game think rebuilding Utd is a 3tr project. Now if LVG is being afforded 3yrs to rebuild a Utd side with quality in many positions, why is Gary Bowyer any different?

I'm not comparing the 2 as managers by the way before anyone goes down that route.

[Amo]

There seems to be this strange assumption that if we don't sack Bowyer the club can sit comfortably in mid-table with the same group of players for the foreseeable future.

[davulsukur]

Craig Short would take over as caretaker manager, if he got a few wins under his belt they'd appoint him, I'm convinced of that, but time will tell as Bowyers getting sacked thats for sure, its just when.

The solution is to bin bowyer off after the final game of the season so short has no games in charge.

[den]

I don't think he's got the tools to take us up den, I've said that right from the start.

But I also don't think Venkys have the ability to appoint anyone better, and until that changes we're snookered sadly.

Just as a side issue LVG has spent 200m so far at Utd, some fans are unhappy and want him out already, but most people in the game think rebuilding Utd is a 3tr project. Now if LVG is being afforded 3yrs to rebuild a Utd side with quality in many positions, why is Gary Bowyer any different?

I'm not comparing the 2 as managers by the way before anyone goes down that route.

Gav, it's an easy question that leaves his supporters floundering.

Do you want promotion?

What have you seen to suggest he can take us there..

It's dead easy for me,

Yes

Nothing.

[Gav]

Gav, it's an easy question that leaves his supporters floundering.

Do you want promotion?

What have you seen to suggest he can take us there..

It's dead easy for me,

Yes

Nothing.

You could also add to that:

Do you want 1st division football?

Because both Berg and Appleton had the club heading in that direction.

[den]

You could also add to that:

Do you want 1st division football?

Because both Berg and Appleton had the club heading in that direction.

. I suggest you and others won't answer it because your answers would be exactly the same as mine

Yes

Nothing.

Btw, I reckon 99% of football fans would have no problem giving answers to those two questions.

[DE.]

There seems to be this strange assumption that if we don't sack Bowyer the club can sit comfortably in mid-table with the same group of players for the foreseeable future.

Indeed. To add to den's questions, you'd have to ask what Bowyer's supporters have seen to make them think he's learning at a fast enough pace to deal with having a weaker squad next season?

Going to be a lot tougher for Gary without Gestede or Rhodes bailing him out.

[Gav]

. I suggest you and others won't answer it because your answers would be exactly the same as mine

Yes

Nothing.

Btw, I reckon 99% of football fans would have no problem giving answers to those two questions.

I have answered it, I said he's not good enough to take us up.

[gumboots]

Then the question remains, is he good enough to keep us up without the better players from our current squad? What have you seen to suggest that the crowd will actually fill one stand? What have you seen to suggest we are doing anything but sinking because we sure as anything won't stay where we are without something positive happening

[K-Hod]

I don't think he's got the tools to take us up den, I've said that right from the start.

But I also don't think Venkys have the ability to appoint anyone better, and until that changes we're snookered sadly.

Just as a side issue LVG has spent 200m so far at Utd, some fans are unhappy and want him out already, but most people in the game think rebuilding Utd is a 3tr project. Now if LVG is being afforded 3yrs to rebuild a Utd side with quality in many positions, why is Gary Bowyer any different?

I'm not comparing the 2 as managers by the way before anyone goes down that route.

Because Louis Van Gaal has won things everywhere over a glittering managerial career which has allowed him this time.

Bowyer doesn't have the same amount of nous on his CV to make us think that if we gave him that amount of time things would improve. He's shown nothing so far to suggest that improvement is a possibility.

I actually agree with what you're saying about too much willy-waving on here of late, people are just argumentative for the sake of it and it's no good to read.

[chaddyrovers]

McCarthy has been at Ipswich 3 years now after this season. But hasn't been sack there. The owner had keep faith him and trust.

This season he has had Ipswich in the top 6. Might get them promote this season.

He has had to sell key player like Cresswell and cut the wage bill and still keep them in the hunt for promotion.

Surely Bowyer is doing a similar type of job to McCarthy.

[K-Hod]

McCarthy has been at Ipswich 3 years now after this season. But hasn't been sack there. The owner had keep faith him and trust.

This season he has had Ipswich in the top 6. Might get them promote this season.

He has had to sell key player like Cresswell and cut the wage bill and still keep them in the hunt for promotion.

Surely Bowyer is doing a similar type of job to McCarthy.

McCarthy has a track record of getting teams promoted, it's a testament to his skills that he's got Ipswich so high in the league with just how little he's spent. It's not even a valid comparison given how much success he's had in the past.

How many players has Bowyer been able to bring in, not to mention the calibre of players in the squad! Rudy Gestede and Jordan Rhodes would be Mick McCarthy's wet dream!!

[DE.]

McCarthy has been at Ipswich 3 years now after this season. But hasn't been sack there. The owner had keep faith him and trust.

This season he has had Ipswich in the top 6. Might get them promote this season.

He has had to sell key player like Cresswell and cut the wage bill and still keep them in the hunt for promotion.

Surely Bowyer is doing a similar type of job to McCarthy.

Well, other than the whole improving the team season upon season, yeah, very similar.

[tomphil]

McCarthy has been at Ipswich 3 years now after this season. But hasn't been sack there. The owner had keep faith him and trust.

This season he has had Ipswich in the top 6. Might get them promote this season.

He has had to sell key player like Cresswell and cut the wage bill and still keep them in the hunt for promotion.

Surely Bowyer is doing a similar type of job to McCarthy.

Somebody like McCarthy would have this squad in or around the play offs. He didn't have the same mess as Bowyer at first but he's had virtually no budget and literally half the so called talent available to Gaz. The major overriding factor is experience but Big Mick has a style of football and management and sticks to it, not pretty but effective. At the end of the day he's a manager and treats his players as such and they treat him the same. Not really the case with GB.

[Amo]

And y'know, McCarthy has had his team fighting for a playoff spot all season on a fraction of the budget.

[den]

I have answered it, I said he's not good enough to take us up.

So you want promotion, haven't seen anything to suggest that he can get it, but want to keep him on.

What kind of stance is that Gav? It's no stance at all. Makes no sense whatsoever.

[tomphil]

If I was Bowyer or his bosses I'd seriously consider revamping the coaching set up whether he likes it or not if he's to remain. Just freshening that up and bringing in some new ideas of how to get the best out of these lot might go some way to improving the style and tempo of our play, particularly in midfield. You can tell the coaching on the training ground is basic at best when it reflects in how we start and go about games until the panic button gets pressed. We need someone to bring something else to the party, no doubt the guys are trying their best and working hard but we need something more.