Note that it is £6 million per year extra through ticket sales, or £7 million if we work to your figures. You've already accounted for a £9.5 million spend and rumours are that Marriott will be another £6+ so that's knocking £16 million this summer alone. That's before wages and before last summers business. We're also not getting into the realm of us selling £30 million of players and spending effectively zilch in that period which comfortably outstrips our annual calculations of what they make on tickets that we don't.

Tommie Hoban joined Aberdeen on a season long loan.

That depends on what you class as our average attendances. Even with only 11,000 home fans our average should be 14-15,000 factoring in massive away followings so their attendances aren't really double ours. Maybe on average 12,000 more. In which case 12,000 x £20 = £240,000, x 25 league and cup fixtures = £6 million. Over 3 years (window for the farcical FFP rules) that's £18 million. They've spent way more than that on players infact won't be far off that this summer if they get Marriott and Waghorn along with that Dutch lad. Anyhow, it's clear we aren't going to agree on this. I think these clubs are breaking FFP rules and aren't being sanctioned, I think there's a lot of people in football who agree with me and no amount of calculations on ticket prices will change that after the sums these clubs have been spending. In an ideal world clubs would be left to spend as they wished and then I wouldn't have any complaints but whilst the league maintain the sham of these rules and we remain one of a small number to ever be punished I won't accept it. I don't think Rovers should accept it either. If those running the club had anything about them they'd be lobbying the Football League on a regular basis to intervene and sanction offending clubs.

I think I came up with a £6.5 million figure as a rough estimate so that was my acknowledgement. I don't think that amount covers their transfer outlay and no doubt massive wage bill for this league.

'Looking to sell' isn't selling. We're in a similar ball park on figures but you seem to be limiting it to this summer. Over the last 3-4 summers they have been one of the biggest spenders in the league and haven't taken money in through big sales. Darren Bent, Tom Ince, Tom Lawrence etc. It all mounts up and their net spend on transfers over the last 3-4 summers works out at a lot more. As does adding Waghorn and Marriott to your equation. You're right on Bolton who are in a bad way financially yet have still managed to bring in Donaldson, Wildschut and Wilson who can all 'do a job' in the Championship. More than we've done. Ipswich have signed Harrison for £1 million+ and Edwards from Posh for a decent fee. I think people are also forgetting that we need to improve as we are going up a level. Standing still isn't an option whereas it might be for someone like Ipswich who were comfortably mid-table Championship Eh? It's Mowbray and supposedly the owners who have said they want to get to the Premier League, not me. I don't think for one minute that the set-up we have here is appropriate for that target.

I'm not talking about matching Stoke. I'm not talking about buying our way out of the division. I'm talking about matching Bolton or Ipswich and having a side equipped to survive.

Ok then. Average ticket is £20 factoring in concessions. They get double what we do through the doors. That's about £6.5 million a year. They're supposedly paying that out on Waghorn alone. Where does the rest come from to fund their wage bill and other transfer business?

All the evidence at this point suggests it is true. Maybe I'll be wrong and I'll be man enough to hold my hands up if so but time is ticking. So far we've 'spent' the equivalent of buying a house on Jack Walker Way and I very much doubt all that money is up front. I don't think that is a decent budget for a Championship football club supposedly wanting to kick on towards the Premier League.

Whatever it is it seems we haven't got it. There are lots of clubs in the Championship who have players under contract on decent wages, clubs who get gates of 15-20,000 a week, yet those clubs also spend in the transfer market. All those players bar Evans signed deals either under Mowbray or Coyle so ought to be on sensible Championship wages. I'm as pleased as the next man that we haven't lost any big hitters from last season - yet - namely Dack. Lenihan and Mulgrew - but no evidence our resolve has been tested by way of bids given that Dack has never kicked a ball in the Championship, Mulgrew is out of contract next year and Lenihan spent most of last season in the treatment room.

Being honest with paying customers is unprofessional?

Nobody is getting a transfer ban. At least not whilst the window is open. They'll probably wait until all the business is done and then embargo clubs in September when the consequences are nil. Waggott should just be honest and say there's very little/no money in the pot for transfers and they want to do it on the cheap by bringing in low cost loans and a couple of hundred grand signings. It's Venkys money and ultimately their decision but just be honest about it. Stop hiding behind FFP rules when it's clear that clubs who want to spend can do, stop saying things like we had a really good budget and had money left over in January which we chose not to spend. I think Mowbray's priority was tying down Dack and Lenihan and keeping what we had and Venkys agreed to that, but sadly it has come at the expense of a reasonable transfer budget. Strange that Mowbray has spent what little money he has on a couple of midfielders neither of which have any pedigree at this level but then again both were cheap and have re-sale value which is what Venkys are into. I'm extremely disappointed with the window to date. I didn't expect to be throwing fortunes around but thought they would reward Mowbray with a half decent budget that would at least enable us to recruit a higher calibre than the likes of Bolton and Ipswich. Seems we can't even go to their level now. Time to prove me wrong and turn it around is rapidly disappearing. I consider Ipswich to be the start of the season not some Sky sports fuelled deadline day in a few weeks. Points are won and lost when the season kicks off not when the window closes.

And on and on and on it will continue unless we get to the Premier League or find another £30 million in sales every few years. I could understand it if they were getting something out of it. Most clubs lose similar amounts at this level but their owners have a goal in mind or at least enjoy the game and the adulation.

The stadium plan on the season ticket section of the website has been out of order for weeks. The club were aware of it yet still hasn't been fixed. Meanwhile the stadium plan for the Liverpool and Everton games is working. Makes me wonder whether they want it fixed as when it is people can count the number of tickets sold, and we know they aren't keen on that information being readily available. Waggott reckoned last week we could shift another 1500 season tickets at full price on the back of incoming signings. If he thinks a couple of teenagers on loan from Southampton and City are going to get people queuing on Nuttall Street for tickets he's very much mistaken.

Quite frustrating. Having been sanctioned by the league for overspending ourselves and having had to watch on for the last few years as these clubs overspend i had hoped they would now get their comeuppance. It seems Villa, Wednesday, Birmingham etc. have had to put the handbrakes on spending but haven't been sanctioned whilst others like Forest, Derby and Middlesbrough carry on regardless. Anyway, back to home. Another day gone and no new signings. Excuses like 'the market is crazy' or FFP rules won't cut it.

How are Derby spending such money? FFP rules not a problem?

Chapman starts for Middlesbrough at Rochdale tonight.

I thought Maddison had a release clause in his contract. If so there's not much their Chairman can do about it other than watch things unfold. Clearly if a club is trying to set it up in smaller instalments rather than pay the money required then he might not be happy about it and who could blame him.

Absolutely. Although the difference with Stoke being that if they fail to get promoted their owner won't strip them down to the bare bones and catapult them into League One.

FFP rules they would have you believe.

Bolton have signed Marc Wilson ex Stoke and Sunderland. Amazed he's only 30.

Don't think there's much chance of new executives coming in. We're on the bare minimum on that front with 2 having tried to get by with 1 up until last season. We've less executives than a lot of Conference clubs. I think Waggott was referring to a re-shuffle in terms of the club's management so expect a couple of 'promotions' of existing staff to new positions etc.

I thought you were suggesting that we should get rid of Evans now in order to free up wages to enable us to bring in a teenager on loan. I think getting rid of first team permanently contracted players to free up cash for loan signings is a slippery slope to be on. Central midfield requires more than 3 players over a season, especially when neither Travis nor Davenport have any experience of playing there regularly and Whittingham missed most of last season and has attracted plenty of criticism himself for his performances. Like with everything else if/when he goes the likelihood is we'll get an inferior replacement.

Creeping into the territory that I was concerned about last week e.g. we're talking about getting shut of people to enable incomings. Dangerous and concerning path to be on. We all know that Evans is likely to be top earner at the club and I think all of us would agree he shouldn't be top earner here. There's probably more of a debate to be had as to his abilities and whether we should make an offer to keep him beyond next summer. But at the time of writing he's here under contract and there's no indication of anyone being interested in buying him. As such all our efforts should be on adding to the squad and strengthening, not getting rid of an experienced Championship player in order to facilitate a loan move for a teenager from City.

Strange one. I think Villa would be far better sticking with Bruce. Isn't he still Arsenal assistant manager following Emery's appointment? Strange if he walks out of a cushy number there to go to Villa.

I'm not even sure on this. Dishing out new contracts is of course important and a positive step. Particularly tying Dack and Lenihan down to new deals. But does it require money to be available to do it? Our revenues will be considerably higher now we are in the Championship (Waggot estimated last week they could be almost double those of last season), so for the owners to sanction new deals and increased wages whilst important I'm not sure it really requires them to immediately dip into their piggy banks to fund. It is more the case of increasing wages now we are receiving increased revenues. They've shown in the past that they don't really mind cranking up the wage bill and bringing in loans and frees on higher wages than others will pay, the problem comes when they have to dip into their own funds to bankroll cash purchases.