5 minutes ago, CheshireRover said:

What?

5 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

whats he said or done lol

Liked a social media post which finished by saying 'Tell Rothwell to f*ck off'. Since been deleted though, and to be charitable most of the post was just praising Trav/Rovers, so there's a chance he liked it without reading to the end!

1 minute ago, superniko said:

Wasn't Giles leading the league in assists at Cardiff? Would be a brilliant addition, and I'd be surprised if we pull it off.

The Wolves forum thought he'd be slotting straight into their matchday squad when he was recalled from Cardiff at the start of the month.

On paper he's a near perfect (realistic) loan signing. Can slot in at LWB which short term is a real issue for us, and then gives us loads of options elsewhere once we get a couple of troops back. 

7 minutes ago, 47er said:

I'm basing it on the notion that he's never received a pay rise since he left Oxford to join us.

Do you know any different?

He's had a contract offer on the table for ages which is widely accepted to be a pay rise of some description. My point though is that you said that Rovers could've saved themselves this bother if we offered him a contract which recognises his value. Fine, but we don't know what we offered and what he would've accepted (or if he always intended to let his contract run anyway) so we can't be overly confident that this was a situation that we could have avoided. 

5 minutes ago, JHRover said:

This is the crux of the issue in a couple of sentences.

The shenanigans of the last 48 hours are just the outcome or product of us not having our house in order. Get our house in order = this doesn't happen.

Its another 'told you so' moment from me - I've been banging the drum about contracts and the dangers of allowing them to run down for many many months - this is why - it has put the club in a vulnerable position where we exposed to predators.

A player - whether that is Joe Rothwell or anyone else - wants security. If clubs are offering him good money and a long term contract and are professional in their dealings whilst we have mucked him around with derisory offers then it is obvious which way he is going to go.

The club has had time and opportunity to avoid this situation - and has done nothing.

And if anyone really expects Mowbray/Rovers/Venkys/Waggott to have already lined up a couple of proven quality permanent signings to replace him tomorrow I think you are going to end up disappointed. My expectation is a couple of loans and the usual spiel from Waggott about why things were all lined up but fell through.

Same as my last post, can we really say things like this with any certainty? Bournemouth's offer will make him a higher earner than anyone at Ewood. Our offer has clearly fallen short of that, but that doesn't mean that it as derisory or that he's been mucked about. 

4 minutes ago, 47er said:

If Rothwell helps Bournemouth to promotion what will £3M matter to them? If Rothwell had had regular pay rises commensurate with his value to the team, this would never have happened. Same goes for our other unsettled players.

You can make a purse out of a sow's ear if you want to but you'll never convince me.

This is a real kick in the guts.

The trouble with statements like this is that we don't know what Rothwell's demands were, or whether he would ever have accepted an offer that we could have realistically made. Without knowing the specifics of demands and offers, it's impossible to know how much of the blame the club takes in finding themselves in this dilemma. 

3 minutes ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

I would prefer not to sell Rothwell - as somebody else has said, he is a rare commodity with his ability to run from midfield. In full flow he is like a Rolls Royce gliding over the pitch. In terms of replacement, it is unlikely we will get like for like - however if we get a midfield player with reasonable pace, who doesn't disappear during matches, who can find a team mate on a regular basis, can create and occasionally score - we may well be better off overall. His career at Bournemouth will be interesting - his success this year is very much down to the system we play - as well as an overall improvement in his game. Take him out of that system, with the understanding of his team mates - it will be interesting - and possibly not the success he expects. Having said that, I don't begrudge him his big pay day, he has worked his socks off this season - leaving for a rival does leave an unpleasant taste though.

Though a number of attacking players have stepped up this season - IMO a lot of our success is built on the defence - as shown over the last couple of matches.

Very close to my views, although I'm not optimistic that that we'll find that player who will improve us overall. I definitely think that the defence carrying on as they are will be more important to getting out of this league than Rothwell would have been.

I think you're right that whilst on one level this is very good business from Bournemouth, there is a risk that they're accumulating so many attacking/midfield options that it'll be a challenge to produce a system which suits them all. 

Just now, danger19_80 said:

It seems completely unrealistic to me. I imagine the final fee, if it happens, will be far less.

It's not a perfect logic, but if we supposedly rejected Bournemouth's offers of £2million + and Mowbray's said that we've knocked back offers of around double that, then a £5-£6million fee maybe isn't that unrealistic? 

2 minutes ago, Rochdale_rover said:

 

Let's be honest . When given a chance in the previous 3 seasons he was average (Joe) at best 

He doesn't score. He doesn't create enough. 

If 6 million is true . I'd  snap anyone's hand off. 4 million same answer . 

The amount of times he loses the ball and leaves us wide open.  He would get annihilated in the prem 

I agree that he should be scoring more, but I don't think we should pretend that he's not been vital to us going forward this season. He might not register as many assists as others, but that is largely because he's contributing earlier in moves. 

3 minutes ago, Mercer said:

My argument would be, prior to this season, he's never been given a fair run to establish himself.  He was in and out, shunted here and shunted there.

It was clear to me from day one the lad had real talent and could excite the fans.  When you have a talent like that, you nurture and give lots of tlc and then you end up with something special and a player who recognises what you've done for them.

When you think of some of the nonentities who've curried favour with Mowbray and the way he's looked after them, it's a real sickener. 

I know there'll be plenty who agree with that, and that it's feasible that Joe Rothwell is one of them! My view though is that is that he had chances to make the shirt his own and didn't take them in years 1 and 2. Last year he was a starter in his favoured position too. Very talented, but not productive enough until this season.

Anyway, like I say it's possible that Rothwell agrees with you and that's led to him wanting out, but personally I'm looking at his behaviour at Oxford and I'm thinking that he's looking after number one. 

4 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Point in bold is nail on head and why I think we will also lose Nyambe.

Argued from day 1 that Rothwell has something special about him.  He's a game changer.  Needed nurturing and some tlc.

IMO, Mowbray has seriously mismanaged the lad and If I was Rothwell, I'd feel I'd been messed about.

Take the £6million as outcome for Rovers could be much worse if he walks for nowt.  Keeping him against his will just wont work - he'd be half arsed and frightened of getting a serious injury.

Until this season, Rothwell hasn't played well enough, consistently enough to justify feeling messed about. We've seen that he was more than happy to run his contract down at his last club to join a club higher un the pyramid and earn more cash. All the evidence points to him just doing the same to Rovers, which notwithstanding how he's gone about asking for a move, is fair enough.

Agree that given where we are now though, we should take the £6million assuming we can spend that on replacement(s).

5 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Bad day immediately around us with QPR and Bournemouth winning.

Ismael will surely get the pot at WBA. Unfortunately.

True.

Flipside of that is that there's no chance that we'll have another weekend like this with such easy games for all of our rivals, and at least we got it out of the way whilst picking up a very decent away point under the circumstances. We're still second, just need to get our troops back!

Buckley off for Ayala!

I keep reading that he's a winger - does anyone who has seen him play more have a handle on how he would be likely to fit into our system?

8 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Good signing or pretty desperate?

I can't decide.

Me neither. On the one hand he's capable of banging them in at this level if he's remotely fit. On the other, the whole point of Ismael's style of play (supposedly) is a really aggressive press, which you'd assume is well beyond Carroll at this stage in his career. 

20 minutes ago, Darwen Rover 007 said:

Any thoughts on Mowbray signing a new deal?

Personal view is we should sign him up to a 2yr extension asap... I think there will be a lot of interest in him.

I have gone from being a huge detractor to a fan...

I don't think you can ignore this season when looking at that question. Equally, it would be wrong to totally ignore the previous two (especially the run last year).

I think, assuming that there is no death spiral and we miss out on the play offs, a one year rolling deal is entirely fair. If we go up he deserves the financial security of knowing he'll get some pay off if we sack him during a tough prem season, seeing as he would have made us over a hundred million or whatever it is these days. If we finish in the play offs but don't go up, he deserves another go after massively overachieving this year.

I think that's fair, but also doesn't mean we'll go handing out a 3 or 4 year deal off the strength of one brilliant season. 

I'd be very happy with four points from this and the Swansea game. Both tough in their own ways, but this one looks the more challenging on paper, so a point wouldn't be the end of the world.

3 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Remember when we went 2-0 up at Preston, then they brought that big lump on up front against Williams and Tosin and we ended up getting beat 3-2.  What I like about this team is that would have just been bread and butter for them.  Proper central defenders.

Putting the L1 season aside, we've been too easy to score against since Sam left. Some managers have had spells of taking conservative, defensive minded decisions such as Bowyer at times, but they never really solved the problem of us being a bit soft at the back. 

Such a refreshing change this year. Eight clean sheets in ten is outstanding at any level, and as you say, all three centre backs have been absolutely immense. 

3 minutes ago, Lucimo said:

Birmingham supporting friend of mine says they are in talks with Maja. He's usually pretty clued up 

That would seemingly have come from nowhere. Apparently they couldn't get the funds together to sign the Aussie midfielder who was on loan there and just went to Boro instead. Suggests the price has come down dramatically if true. 

4 minutes ago, islander200 said:

I recorded it and watched it last night after I got back from the game there was a definite Boro bias and they wouldn't shut up about Wilder.In fairness to Downing pre match he said both us and Boro would make the playoffs.

Hardly surprising he was more focused on Boro when he supports the club and is from the area 

One stat from last night regarding Gallagher in his last 10 starts 5 goals and 3 assists. Good numbers

 

Had we been judging Gally purely on this season's output, we'd still have been frustrated with certain aspects of his game but they would be secondary to his very decent goal record.

Obviously the signing gets judged for previous seasons too, so I wouldn't want to go overboard and say that it was £5million well spent, but he definitely deserves credit for this season and the decision to buy him in the first place looks much better than it did this time last year. 

Just now, Mellor Rover said:

Keiffer Moore is a mental signing for them. May as well sign Andy Caroll! Not even close to suiting their style.

Funny you should mention...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/17409886/bournemouth-andy-carroll-reading-burnley-transfer/

1 hour ago, only2garners said:

Big blow for West Brom, with Daryl Dike being sidelined for around 8 weeks with a hamstring injury.

I briefly made them favourites to grab second once I saw they signed him. That really is a blow - happily means that he'll be missing for when we play them too. 

24 minutes ago, rovers11 said:

Forget Souttar, this is the one we should be after 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/8324390/rangers-connor-goldson-two-english-sides-pre-contract/amp/

 

I guess if West Brom are serious then we'd struggle to match their offer. Would be a quality signing at this level though (arguably a good one even if we went up). 

13 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Great question posted on Twitter. Khadra wins a last minute penalty tonight, who do you have taking it?

If mentally he's in a decent place, Gallagher. I've no illusions about the negative aspects of his game, but for me it's his first touch and game awareness that holds him back. He has the tools to be a good penalty taker in my view.

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Davenport has never had a chance here. Weird really given Mowbray signed him and didn't inherit him.

Agree - the one thing that you'd say I suppose is that his injury problems were genuinely horrendous. I don't blame Mowbray for bringing in players who he could rely upon in the short term, but he's been fit for a year or two now. He should've had a run last year in my view, especially in that awful run after Christmas.

I know others on here disagree, but I think the 'Mowbray has been unfair to Nyambe/Rothwell and that's why they're leaving' is a total red herring. Davenport on the other hand has every right to feel aggrieved.  

Just now, simongarnerisgod said:

hav`nt got a clue who`s going to be holding the midfield tbh and im`e not a fan of jrc at wing back/full back,looks an unbalanced side to me,davenport to replace travis would have been the logical choice,he must be p*****d off getting overlooked every week,on the rare time he does get a start he does ok imo

Think this is the clearest sign that we're going to see that he's going to be leaving after this season. Real shame.