Liked Gally when he was here. Loose player, but scored a few, and some good ones at that.

If we're using that players who looked decent under Coyle would look 50% better under a decent manager, he'll do for me.

1 hour ago, OnePhilT said:

Reed and his advisors seem adamant about committing to a Premier League club. I think we're only going to be a fallback option for him by the end of summer.

Think he'd potentially be a very astute signing for a lower-half top flight club. Even so, I'd expect in the end that he'll have to settle for a Championship club. It's good that it looks like he's enjoying it here, beause next time they'll be queueing up for him.

I said in the summer that Chapman would be a low risk/high reward option. This was before the injury, but even so I don't see any reason to change my mind. He'll be as likely as not be on buttons, and as unlikely as it seems now, we know how good he can be if he stays fit and can progress.

Totally get why people wouldn't take him, but I still think it makes sense as a low risk investment.

Just now, Colt Seavers said:

I saw him pre season against Accy Stanley and again in an under 23 game. He is nice and tidy and I wouldn't place too much emphasis on either game, but I'm not sure if he is going to be the world beater that some are hoping for. 

I absolutely stand to be corrected and feverishly hope I'm wrong but I would liken him more to Cory Evans than Bobby Charlton.

To be fair, Corry Evans but with a better range of passing could prove to be a very useful player imo. Excited about the what a future pairing with Travis could look like in a couple of years. 

43 minutes ago, OJRovers said:

I can't see us starting with both Armstrong and Rothwell on the wings; not enough protection for the defence.

It will be: Armstrong - Evans - Travis - Reed

I'm hoping that Nyambe is fit to come in at RB.

 

Agree with the Rothwell point, for this week at least. I would still want the option of him off the bench anyway, seeing as he was so effective last weekend.

Think Armstrong's a shoe in, as is Travis now. Nyambe being back fit throws a spanner in the works. I'd rather have him playing RB and Bennett moved forward, but who gets dropped? Reed, probably, if we're thinking that Reed and Travis in the middle might be a little too green, but it's not an easy one. 

Suspect that Tony will go with as you say though, with Bennett at RB and Nyambe on the bench. 

Just now, DE. said:

Agreed, but this is GB we're talking about! Given the choice between a steady 6-7/10 every week player or an inconsistent player who could be a 4 or 5/10 but had the ability to be 9-10/10 when he's in the mood, GB would always go for the steady eddie. In fairness most managers would, and our current manager definitely would as well! 

I'm still really grateful to Bowyer for giving pride back to the club after 2012-2013, so I don't want to badmouth him too much, but looking back on the talent of some of those players that we had, it's clear that we should have troubled the promotion places more than we did.

Back to King, another strength that he had was that, even if he wasn't on it with his final ball (frequently!) he still occupied the attention of defenders because of how quick & stron he was, and how well he travelled with the ball. Equally, when we had Rhodes & Rudy, both were goal scorers rather than target men, but they both needed constantly looking after. We had so many attacking threats that it seemed impossible for teams to deal with everyone all at once. No co-incidence that it coincided with Conway's best form in Rovers shirt, having so much extra space & then Rhodes & Rudy to hit in the box. 

Just now, Madon said:

Nope! 

That's a relief. 

Suppose the other obvious candidate is Nuttall. Wouldn't mind that quite so much, more important that he's playing somewhere. 

Just now, DE. said:

Can you remember many games where King impressed playing wide? I only ever remember him running into useless space and frustrating everybody by losing the ball. He rarely used his pace effectively on the wing, although whether that is down to King or down to the fact he wasn't coached very well on wing play whilst he was here is another matter. His best performances by far were those cup games where he played through the middle and absolutely ripped Swansea and Stoke's defences apart with his pace. 

More away from home in fairness, but I can remember a couple in the 'almost got in the play offs year'.

Birmingham away, when Rudy got 3. I genuinely think that was as dominant a performance from a Rovers attacking player that I've seen in years, probably should have put it in the best performances thread actually. They were dire, but he absolutely tore them a new one. Not to the same extent, but he did well against Charlton away later in that run.

There were plenty of other games when he would torture the opposition full back but with no end product, no disputing that, but I think it retrospect, persevering with King would have probably paid more dividends than persevering with Marshall, even if his final ball was light-years ahead. 

4 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

Who would you have like to have seen dropped to accommodate King, 20-goal Rhodes or 20-goal Rudy?

Water under the bridge now, but on the wing. The only time we ever really looked in any danger of going up under GB was when we played:

Conway            Cairney             Evans/Lowe             King

                          Rhodes             Rudy

Top player a few years ago, not sure about where he's at now.

We've already plenty central midfielders. If we're to sign a 33 year old, I'd want him to be easily better than we already have. If he is, why are Middlesbrough letting him go?

2 hours ago, DE. said:

No chance of us getting into the playoffs imo, it'll be the same as under GB, as soon as we get close we'll start falling away. The consistency and quality just isn't there yet. A top ten finish would be a good start and a base to build on assuming Venky's don't randomly decide to do something stupid in the next 12 months. You can never be sure.

Probably right, although the gap isn't insurmountable. Wouldn't totally write us off, but I'd expect us to finish about 7th-10th if I'm being truthful, even if that happens to be above 'Boro. 

Think the GB comparison is about right too. The only difference for me is that then, the squad was good enough, just that GB probably was't the man to take us to the next level in retrospect. I think this time the roles are reversed; Mowbray is that bit cannier and more ruthless, but the squad as things stand probably falls a little short. Next season is more likely to be the big one for this squad. 

6 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Nobody else have a real feel of schadenfreude seeing those protests last night? 

Conflicted. A little bit to those who have revelled in our struggles in previous years, but then again I never really got the impression that was more than a few idiots on the internet.

It's looking like the damage has probably been done in terms of getting them relegated and skinting them, bar extreme fortune with new owners. I'll take that as my schadenfreude and hope it doesn't go much further.

Wouldn't wish losing a football club on anyone. Except MK Dons. 

24 minutes ago, Tom said:

Coleman came out of it really well even in failure, decent and genuine, the bloke who confronted him was a disgrace.

Rodwell the villain of the piece if you look at social media but he never got chance to put his side across 

Looking at Sunderland, Rovers and Rodwell, I think some of this shows how when the culture and environment of a club is on it's backside, it's really hard for any individual to cut through and not seem like they're part of the problem. You get the odd one like Bennett, but by and large perceptions of individual players are viewed through a lens of the whole set-up being toxic. Throw in a big contract, injury problems and maybe some half true stories about wanting to play, and it's not hard to see where the animosity comes from.

All of a sudden, in a club no longer on a downward spiral, with a proper manager and a healthy culture in the dressing room, Rodwell looks as good as gold. I expect a large majority of players would behave no differently in his position, at either club. Cultures are set by managers, maybe a handful of players and the club going in the right direction.  Most players would just get their head down and fit in, be that good or bad. 

Loan til the end of the season will do him good. Unless he shows him training that he's streets ahead of all of them, he's not getting ahead of Evans, Smallwood, Reed and now Travis. Quickest way he can force his way in will be through going to a league 1 side and stand out. 

Just now, Mattyblue said:

Unless it's a purely business decision. Sign him up on a new contract for peanuts and flog him to a League 1 club in the summer...

That was my first thought too. One way of gettinga couple of hundred grand in the summer, maybe free with a sell on clause. Doesn't look like he'll ever cut the mustard for a championship club with aspirations, but the boy will be on buttons. Could be a way of turning a small profit. 

Not got round to watching this one yet, but if it's as good as Premier Passions, Sunderland's last documentary in the mid 90s, then I'm in for a treat.

A particular highlight was one of their coaches, I believe Bobby Saxton, describing at length how he hates short passing. Not aged well that one. 

Late entry for top five, Oxford at home is worth mentioning, if just to remind us of the potential we have. Ewood full in the third tier. Sun out. Rovers win. More of a party than a football match. A modern classic. 

Great thread. Some are more obvious, so I've tried to think about some of the less obvious ones which have stayed with me.

In no particular order:

Best

2008 -  Everton 2-3 Rovers. Ince's first game, Dunn, Roque and a last minite Ooijer winner. Scenes at the end.

2004 - Fulham 3 - 4 Rovers. Watched the scores come in over Ceefax. Late winner, instrumental in keeping us up.

2008 - Bolton 1 - 2 Rovers. Don't really regard these lot as rivals, really, but Kev Nolan was on record as not liking us. He scores the best goal of his life and celebrated like mad, before a Samba header and a Jason Roberts deflection wiped the smile off his face. bliss.

2007 - Rovers 2 - 0 Man City. FA cup game. Amazing atmosphere at Ewood, they had high expectations and we were a total class above. Collectors item from Mokoena and a jubilant Matt Derbyshire in front of the Blackburn end at the end. One of the great Ewood moments of modern times.

2006 - Rovers 3-2 'Boro. Fairly inconsequential game in the end, but a game for me which signalled that we were back on the way up, after a couple of seasons on the wane. Good 'Boro side, with several UEFA cup finalists in the team. Scabbed their way to 2-2 after Savage's only career red card at club level. Bellamy was still too good for them.

Worst

2002 - Celtic - both UEFA cup games, for different reasons but both deserve to be included in the same breath. Horrible feeling.

2007 - Wigan 5 - 3 Rovers. I'm from Wigan, so the indignity of losing to a jumped up non-league team who have only ever had success due to a wealthy Blackburn fan was bad enough. That it should have been a special comeback win, had it not been for a dodgy Emerton red card, made it worse.

2014 - Sheff Wed 3 - 3 Rovers. Looked like Bowyer had timed the play off push to perfection. 3-1 up, last minute equaliser. Gutted. 

2009 - Rovers 2 - 2 City. 2-0 up on Sparky's return, with 5 minutes left. Chucked it away.

2007 - Rovers 0 - 0 Leverkusen. That side had a genuine chance of winning a European trophy, and knocking out Leverkusen would've set us well on our way. Still gutted when I think about it now.

6 minutes ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

Speedie could also be in the frame for Newcastle at home and the first leg against Derby.

Good players having shocking debuts would include Salgado away at Everton -poor bloke was essentially stationary the entire game thinking he was still at Real Madrid - and Kalinic away at Newcastle whee he did at least five misses as bad as Brereton’s against Newcastle.

Ooijer had a shocking debut too, as I recall. Absolutely roasted by Drogba. Didn't take long for him to show his quality though, what a player.

Nice symmetry with Phil Jones a few years later. First league start at home to Chelsea. Difference being he had Drogba in his pocket.

1 hour ago, DeeCee said:

Speedie hat trick v Argyle one of the best.

Worst, Williams any game ?

 

Before my time that one, but the highlights are on youtube

Not in a Rovers shirt, but I remember Nelsen playing against Italy for New Zealand when they drew in the 2010 World Cup.

This was at a time when the Sky Sports website used to do individual player ratings, with a 1/2 sentence caption next to each player. 9 ratings were very rare, I literally only ever remember seeing a 10 once, and it was for Nelsen after somehow they kept Italy to one goal from a dodgy penalty. Caption just read, 'Heroic'.

Just now, had.e.nuff said:

what about Herold Goulon in the utd game

 

There were a few contenders that day! 

Personally, I remember Chimbonda being worse, but that could have something to do with him being left on the pitch for the full 90 unlike Goulan, so giving him more opportunity to be awful. 

Would need to give this a bit more thought, but some early contenders from recent years are 

Best:

Bellamy against Middlesbrough, King against Stoke, Samba in a 1-1 draw at City.

Worst, Pascal Chimbonda in the 7-1 against Man United. Directly responsible for four goals in one game. The only time I ever remember thinking that I could genuinely do less harm to the team if I was plying instead of a professional footballer. 

4 minutes ago, rigger said:

Even with pace Bell does not stop his opponent from getting crosses in. In my opinion the most important asset for a full back is to be able to defend. Bells positional sense is appalling he makes it easy for any opposition player to pass the ball to the man, who he is meant to be marking.   

His biggest flaw for me. He's definitely worth persevering with in my view, despite being a bit up or down so far, but if he doesn't get tighter in defending against his man, he'll never make a full back at this level. 

Wonder if this could backfire for Norwich. Would be surprised if they get a deduction and the last they need is to give Leeds a siege mentality.