Apart from that. I saw that mentioned earlier. No idea of him as a player. Defender it seems...central? Any good? How old? Highly rated? etc.

Strange to field both Graham and Nuttall, especially due to, as someone said earlier, Graham's participation in a midweek match last week putting him on the bench on Saturday. Must be because of the Brereton deal being completed, and presumably Arma being back. I guess Graham will be on the bench again. However, Mowbray has shown he doesn't introduce anyone straight into the team the week they sign, so Brereton will likely be bench at best for Bristol. Armstrong up front must be the tactic for the weekend...bit of a risk though, should his injury recur before then. A few puzzling lineup and formation choices tonight, but let's see at the end if it worked. Also...who the hell is Joe Grayson? Not seen his name crop up before even in the youth team discussions.

You're only going to give him until 10 minutes into the game? Caddis in the shop window...I wouldn't put him in Poundland's shop window. I'd feel embarrassed donating him to a charity shop.

I must be missing something, those seem to contradict. Unless it is including super long, 18 month or 2 year loans. Otherwise not sure how you can include 5 loans but can only get 4.

No, you're a good poster. And I'm sure someone has gotten us mixed up in the past.

One is exceptable...from the English language. Welcome to the Language Window, folks. Due to close as soon as the mods tell us to quit it. Anyway, I read the Forest forum earlier tonight. Most of them rate him very highly and are very unhappy with the supposed fee. I do think part of this (what they think he should cost) comes from his being from their youth team though, and other youth players having sold or been linked for exorbitant amounts. Seems to make them think all their youth fringe players should command a premium. One of them pointed out that if they were linked with a player with a similar record for a similar fee they wouldn't think it was super cheap. However, highly encouraging how gutted a lot of them are by it. It does make me feel better about the risk. I expected a lot more bitter 'sod it we don't need him' remarks.

Ack! You probably meant to say blueboy3333 or something...

It's disturbing me that you know.

I thought you said you didn't get why people are bothered.

Think again. A month or two ago I got an official warning from K-Hod for a minor, and indirect insult I threw 'at' Chaddy. Can't say I was best pleased by it, felt it was OTT and heavy-handed, especially since I very very rarely get irritated enough by someone on here to do any form of insulting, but the point is, people do get in 'trouble' for it. For the record I'm neither a happy clapper nor a doom monger, either. Now let's stop talking about moderators, posters, and forum personalities and just talk football.

I've gone and got a tattoo of his face. On my ballbag.

Fully expect him to go for a lot more than that. Otherwise, exactly. I was never talking about his previous deal, just his current one, which replaces it and has had no mention of an extension.

Hah! They've done fantastically well for themselves in the last few years, and have put a skilled team together, but when all's said and done, club vs club, prestige, history, infrastructures etc all compared, they're lucky to even be in the same league as us. 'Should be beating sides like Blackburn' indeed...

I'm not arguing with you either, you've just expressed it very confusingly. I get you now. Yes it will make 4 years of owning him in total if he left at end of contract, but the point is 3 years from now he is out of contract and that's not great in my view for a fresh deal. We will need to renegotiate it next summer or end up under pressure to sell cheaper the summer after.

You don't take up an option for the fourth year as soon as you sign the contract. Otherwise you would just sign a four year contract not three. I think you're mistaken. If there is an option for a fourth year in the club's favour, I'd be pleasantly surprised, but it definitely won't have activated yet and I haven't seen it reported.

It was 3 years.

In 2 years time he will only have 1 year left on his deal and we will get our trousers taken down. This is why I was critical of the length of term of the new deal. Hope we get him on a new, longer deal next year.

Might be that his heart isn't in it anymore. Jesus, Forest seem to think they've churned out the next England team or something.

I'm sorry mate, I'm really confused by this reply? Why does 3 plus 3 equal 4? But anyway, Dack signed a 4 yr contract when we bought him. It had 3 remaining this summer. He signed a new 3 year deal this summer. It ends in 3 years. It doesn't run in addition to the other one. It wasn't an extension.

Great idea for a thread. We have all got numerous things wrong. Anyone implying they haven't, or only got one thing wrong, is an utter liar. I feel I get a lot more right than wrong, but I will confess (the others have reminded me of a few, as some were very common thoughts at the time)... I was underwhelmed by the Mowbray appointment. I didn't see the point in signing Friedel. I was then convinced he would never leave, especially for money, and bled blue and white. Thought Whittingham and Murphy would do well dropping a league after good seasons in higher ones. I was uneasy about signing Bellamy for 6 million. Wasn't sold on a Rudy Gestede who had never been a frequent scorer either. This Wednesday I was convinced that, 2-0 down against Reading, with all our best attackers gone, no way were we getting anything from the game.

We only have him contracted for 3 years. That's all the new contract gives, frustratingly. If we still have him in the summer, we are going to need to offer him another contract to stop the fear of last year negotiations.

Come on, the examples I gave were mostly ones who play for us because 1) That's what I'm most familiar with and 2) That's what other fans here are most familiar with so will understand more easily. More examples are absolutely everywhere. Millwall have an entire team of them. Of course I remember Millwall were in League 1 the season before last. What's your point? They finished 8th last season with a team lacking a single million-pound player. They've also been in the Championship more than just last season. Obviously our bar is higher than Millwall's, but again, they've never spent a million. Just spending on more deals at the Armstrong level is still well above their level. Pointing out players who cost a lot of money and failed only really reinforces the common point you know, that we shouldn't be spending all that on one player. However, IF we did, it makes far more sense to try it on a proven track record than someone who has proven nothing really yet. EVERY deal in football can go wrong or go right, we all know that. But you have to calculate your gambles, and £12 million or whatever (even 8 million, for me) for Brereton is a bad calculation. Maybe it will turn out to be deal of the century, but that won't change the degree of risk that was involved. And no, I'm not really advocating buying someone who doesn't fit the wage structure either. I'm saying I'd rather make two cheap punts who cost half that put together. Chances are at least one will come good (and there's nothing to stop their value increasing exponentially too), and if they don't, we have the budget to try again in the summer.

Possibly, but the fans would hate it after talk of spending 8 mill or so on him. I don't know it's too wise to help develop Forest's unproven player. Wouldn't be shocked though, if we ended up taking him to fill the gap short term and get a better look at him.

Well, no, we don't need to get involved at all. We could just get involved with some of the transfers being done at far more reasonable prices. Armstrongs, Dacks, Edwards, Rothwell, Davenport, the Brentford lad, there's plenty available. It has just been said that Millwall are about to spend their record ever fee of 1 million! They've had quite a lot of seasons in this league, all told, for that kind of spend. They finished 8th in it last year. Potential can be bought without a premium. If it doesn't work out, you then have enough left to try again. I'm not saying don't spend quite big, but something like 4 million or so is really the upper limit of what we should spend on potential. Anything more, we need someone who has shown they can do it NOW. There are no guarantees in football, but it's wiser to gamble big bucks when there is a track record.

Don't think it has had time yet to fully get going. It was only due to be finalised this summer, and not a lot of competitive football been played yet. I think there was some mention from someone at the club of us using it to scour foreign markets, but not sure. I assume we will see more inventive targets in future.