We have a relationship with Brentford? Are they in the German 4th Division?

Not much point arguing about this at length, JH and you have your view and I have mine but you'd have thought GB would have outlined to them the basics of the deal and they'd have given the go ahead before GB went too far down the line with it. If GB didn't explain the financial ramifications properly that's on him.

Yep. No heads rolled which you would expect. Then again Shaw initially survived the Berg fiasco and Waggott escaped having to back down on the proposed sale of the training ground without censure so maybe it's just par for the course under their ownership.

Sometimes the most obvious explanation is the correct one and I think it's a bit of a stretch to attribute this to anything other than the grossest incompetence. Does it look more or less fishy that we cocked up 2 deals? This and a relatively low value one? Mind you IF the deals were deliberately sabotaged I don't think it would have come from the owners who would have had to ok the deals in the first place. More likely a certain penny pinching, cost cutting employee.

Never really understood that argument. Losses are still losses even if they can be used to reduce your tax bill elsewhere. You'd be better off without them.

The cock up looks a bit suspicious, but why would a cock up be ordered when they would have had to give the deal the go ahead in the first place? Also why waste money going to appeal? If you didn't want it to go through you'd save money and let it lie on the off chance any appeal was successful!

Fair comment. The story goes that all the land in and around Pune was divided up between their father and either one or two other local business men, I don't recall which.

I don't think it is, that's where their real wealth comes from.

Yes, but do they run their core businesses at home with ruthless efficiency? That was the point being made. If they do (which I have to doubt in the circumstances) then their ownership here admittedly looks even stranger.

Fascinating. Thank you. The main things I took from that is that there's a 15 minute Lee way period if you submit a quick application until 23.15 and the Club STILL couldn't submit the documents on time. Incompetence on a stunning level. Also when we received LOB's signed loan agreement back at 23.15 if we'd submitted it to the EFL instantly we might have got away with it but didn't submit it until 23.28. Unbelievable Jeff.

Not sure if they need "praising" for it as it's them who's created that level of loss in the first place by allowing incompetents to run the gaffe and allowing money to be consistently wasted like water over the years. However I can't see the harm in acknowledging the level of contribution over the years. Whether it be £15m or £20m p.a. that's a hell of a lot of money to me. If you dont think that's a lot, that's up to you. If they'd been putting less in over the years also presumably we wouldn't have been able to run as big a wage bill and wouldnt have been as competitive. I think we're seeing that now when in addition to the Court proceedings the tax laws have allegedly changed to our detriment. So I see it more as their contribution as to be acknowledged rather than praised If they'd employed better people over the years and achieved a lot more success on the pitch for the same financial input then that would have been praiseworthy.

I'm still not really sure what you're on about, I'm fairly sure the Venky's haven't "set up" these Court proceedings it looks like they've been foisted upon them. As regards funding Rovers from one of their other entities outside India, I'm really not sure about the legality or otherwise of that. Isn't funneling money where it shouldn't be going the very reason why they attracted the attention of the authorities in the first place?

I don't remember that at all. Who was name checked and criticised or do you have a link to it?

Did we miss that Appeal Commission report? Who was found culpable and negligible?

I don't understand what that's supposed to mean. I can't see why Venky's would invent a series of events which paint them in a desperately poor light and which involve them having committed acts of illegality. They could just say "We're not prepared to put in the same level of funding anymore" Didn't Mike Graham reproduce Court pleadings which related to the finances?

Yeah - whatever - aren't you the guy who thinks the stories about the restrictions and having to go to Court to release funds are all fabricated?

I didn't say that larger attendances automatically equated to success on the pitch but if you can get 33% more fans in without losing any net revenue then no-one can seriously suggest that's a bad thing. Not for the first time you're trolling for the sake of it.

As opposed to us who are falling from 7th to 17th or even lower? Please explain why you think it's a bad thing to have more fans in the stadium.

Exactly.

Well.....even more than normal then!

Good find. It's not a massive increase in revenue but crucially it isn't a loss either and the feel good factor from having 33% more fans in the stadium is immeasurable.

I know everyone likes to blame the owners for everything (and recently with good reason) but this is one conspiracy theory that doesn't make sense. Why would Broughton take this deal right up to the dotting the i's and crossing the t's stage without seeking authorisation to go ahead in the first place?

Fair to say Belgian 3rd tier not as good as League 1 in England? I've no idea, I don't think anyone realised these Leagues even existed before now.

It's hard to believe that it would work with any lower level of funding.

I know the question wasnt directed at me but no, for once he wasnt lying - as DOF it's his responsibility. I think they'd agreed between themselves beforehand that no-one would face any recriminations therefore Broughton came out and gave that insincere Oscar winning apology during which he promised to eventually explain what happened and of course didnt. How come even though they may not have done it personally, everything that happens at Ewood is (rightly) vicariously the owners fault but when something goes wrong on the football side of things people don't apply the same standard to the Director of Football (Broughton) ?