How can a "manager" with 2 or 3 games as a caretaker fit a mould of manager?

All managers regurgitate the same spiel in press conferences, I am unsure if it is the modern day, social media driven culture but people seem to pick apart and analyse them more often than ever before. It is in a managers best interests to say whatever he can to try and request more time in employment. There is validity in saying that a "plan" wont come together so quickly but the ones that get to see their contracts through on merit should be the ones that display consistent signs of progression of that plan.

No one has suggested that they expect instant success, its a myth portrayed by some to make anyone displaying any doubts/worries to be irrational. I think that the main cause of the worries is the clear attempted change to a dull, slow passing style from the back that many would argue doesn't suit the players and hasn't worked in the past.

I hope that I am wrong but I can see this being another borefest. One team playing slow, ineffective football across the back line against another who will come and sit in, I will say nil nil. Also @chaddyrovers you describe the window as only "decent." You were over the moon when Brittain signed, have praised Hyam, have repeatedly put Szmodics and Hirst in your predicted teams and defended them, have echoed the comments from inside the club about the Morton signing, have repeatedly defended the decision to reject bids for Brereton, have applauded the contract renewals. Mola aside who has barely been given a mention, how on earth is the conclusion of all of that praise merely "decent?!"

I was there and wasn't impressed by Morton. Would I be right in thinking that you are very happy with the signing and the choice made only to loan Morton into central midfield with your opinion exactly matching Broughton's methodology?

Tomasson said amongst his usual cliches and management talk that Mola and Adam Wharton will be in the squad tomorrow, interesting to see who drops out.

The amounts may underwhelm but they are more valuable than one season of Brereton, yes. Morton wasnt that good at Blackpool, he played a suicidal pass near the end that nearly led to a goal. The rationale given by Broughton isn't reasoning that I agree with. Not only is Morton not experienced but he hasnt looked particularly good.

I am quite open minded towards loans in general as I am totally against the idea of writing seasons off as transitional. If a loanee is better than one of our own players then he should play. That being said, we were particularly in need of experience in midfield I felt and I dont rate him from when he has played to be honest.

Have these hours never gone into recruitment in the past?

Its not as simple as saying "end of." If the focus is on years 2 and 3 of Tomasson's reign, which as I have explained previously is illogical considering the nature of the Championship, then I didn't feel as if the choice to essentially loan Brereton for close to if not an 8 figure fee for that transitional season was not aligned with that thinking. Nor were loan deals in particular the one with no option to buy in Morton's case. I get that we would have liked more for Brereton ideally of course but we still turned down a hell of a lot of money (and for those who turn to it at every corner, a lot of FFP room to manouevre) for him to stay for one further season. He explained his thinking on Morton but I didn't agree with the decision before or after he said it to only loan in a kid in midfield, that isn't IMO what we needed and he has yet to impress. You seem to have fallen into the trap again of thinking that if someone at the club says the reason behind a decision or decisions made, then they must be the correct ones based on that reasoning.

Just to clarify, Broughton coming out and explaining his reasoning doesn't invalidate or change my opinion. We have essentially paid 10 million to loan a goalscorer in a "transitional" season. But going onto Tyler Morton, why loan him if it is a transitional season? The idea of a transitional season at Championship level especially with the reliance on loans throughout the league and the high player turnover is foolish anyway and its just regular management speak. Also, you was expecting 10 changes to the playing staff? You spent all summer repeating that we only needed 6. I think there was a video when he was appointed where he said that it is pronounced "Yon Dale" IIRC.

"Rovers recruitment department would have done better and more research, scouting, etc than you." I guess that there is no point in ever commenting on our opinions of players and signings again. Rovers have done more work on them and presumably as a result all will be successful.

Seems hypocritical to dismiss people who doubt him due to a lack of game time, only to then praise the player based on that same limited game time, although throwing in watching youtube compilations of his best bits which surely only further distort opinion. Would make more sense to be either of the opinion that all players should not be judged until x, including the more successful signings, or alternatively allow both, not picking and choosing which approach based on what makes the players look better.

If this season is just a transitional season then why are we making any short term focused decisons, such as keeping Brereton and loaning players in? There has to be positive evidence that the transition is ongoing to warrant that second year. I personally think the target should be to beat 8th but there would be scope for keeping Tomasson potentially even with a lower finish than that if there was a suggestion on the pitch that a plan was coming together. It shouldnt just be a write off that this season is for adjustment because we need to be able to believe that a plan is coming together.

Only 3 seasons if he proves that he warrants 3 years. Not 3 years no matter what happens. Regarding the style, I have found the performances barring 1 or 2 exceptions to be painfully dull, yes. As ever though, I get no pleasure from losing but playing supposedly good football and get lots from any win so its about results. But I do have grave reservations about the sustainability of our results should we continue to try and play walking football, passing it along the backline. Watford have had a much better last decade than us with our "time and patience" approach that you suggested. Ultimately it depends on the individual managers, not so much the approach.

Equally, how have you reached such a conclusion based on those aforementioned 150 minutes over 5 games?

But it isn't comparable to any other job. Football managers are either given fixed term contracts that are in the grand scheme of things quite small in duration or rolling contracts, should they not last the duration then it is either down to being paid off having been sacked or being bought out by another team.

There are plenty of clubs (example 1, Chelsea at the top end, or Watford with them being a Prem Club for most of the last decade) that defy the idea that stability and success automatically go hand in hand. But there is a huge middle ground between catastrophically wrong (what does that entail, relegation?) and "incredible results within 18 months" which is the key thing here. There can't be a total disregard to always needing results in the short term even before you consider the illogical nature of putting too much stock in a "long term project" in the Championship considering the common high player turnovers each season, added to by loan deals being so common. Tomasson like any other manager/head coach should need to justify extra time and extra trust in keeping him. If he sticks to this way of playing and it over time starts showing signs of knitting together both in performances and crucially results, then excellent. If not, and I am not for one minute implying that such a decision is near, but the consideration down the line needs to be made as to whether blind faith should continue to be put into a manager who is showing little signs for optimism on the pitch. The thing is, he won't because under Venkys, he likely will get 3 seasons even if he took us down, but that is a different point altogether.

Tomasson will for the forseeable be shielded for much of the potential criticism because some with withhold all potential criticisms on account of it being early days. We cannot possibly give a manager 3 whole years with the only out being if it goes "catastrophically wrong." A managers future should always be an ongoing thing, whereby if progression couple with results is not forthcoming then the managers position becomes jeopardised. Further time needs to be earnt, alas under most owners it is. There has been a lot of optimism caused by what people say rather than what they do as is always the case in the early days, I remember the same posters who now are making out that Tomasson merely not being Mowbray means that he is a clear upgrade eating out of the latter's hand in the first couple of years in fans forums etc. It is very early days admittedly and it has been a real mixed bag once you start judging on actions rather than words. Overall the league table looks healthy, the performance level especially after a quick start does not bode well with our current style not looking productive whilst being really boring to watch. Off the pitch, the choice to essentially write off an eight figure income for a season extra of our main player within a season being written off as a "transition" one already was always to me a huge black mark on the incoming regime. Conversely, I think we had done a few good bits and pieces on the contract front elsewhere, although players who have barely kicked a ball in senior football was never the issue in the past, it was when graduates got to the point whereby they could reasonably expect to be within the high earners. The new signings so far with reasonable funds look at best a real mixed bag.

How you can be so sure based only words is a different story, but basically teams will do the above yet I can guarantee that across the tenures of the current staff, there will be some shit signings made too, doing that research doesn't mean that a player will come in and do well.

I think that I would go: Kaminski Brittain Ayala Wharton Pickering Travis A Wharton Markanday Dack Brereton Gallagher Dack has to play. It is a tight call between the 2 centre backs and Hyam but I think that those 2 shade it. We look light in midfield so Travis has to play and with neither Morton nor Buckley particularly impressing, it is time to put Adam Wharton in who has barely a kicked a ball after his man of the match display at Blackpool. Hedges is also unlucky to miss out, he has started the season well but I think he has to start offering a goal threat and id like to see Markanday.

Give time and patience 😂 is that why Kean stayed during years of protesting and a relegation? Is that why Mowbray stayed for so long after showing clear signs of stagnation yet with no communication on the future? You don't seem to be willing to hold any critical faculty in regards with what your opinion of the intended tactical change. Do you think it suits us to play the ball out slowly from the back? The regularly used lines are "high press" and "fluid front 4" but there have been only fleeting examples of either whereas the passing it out from the back is a clear staple of his plan. Do you not question at all whether for example that our squad suits playing it out from the back? Do you not think when we do bore everyone rigid trying it, maybe a compromise will need to be struck in regards to passing it out? In your head, it just seems to be a case of it definitely will all come together over time.

How do you know that he deserves to be here next season?

If we continue with the same style and go on a poor run, people will react and there will be frustration and anxiety in the ground. No amount of patronising comments on here will make a difference.

I never said that we should sack Tomasson. My point was more a general one about Venkys having history for letting managers stay in situ regardless of results, so Tomasson will be here next season either way.